why hate to jews

Muslims say they don't hate Jews, but their actions say that they do.

Caringheart wrote: kodoo wrote: Please look up; "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali" I like how this guy teaches.� He seems very peace among people, oriented.but he makes one mistake...Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.� Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.� Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God.Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first?asalaam.

HI Caringheart,hope you well.

Ishmael was the first born of Abraham's SEED.Period.

Hagar Abraham's wife! ". . . and (she, Sarah) gave her
(Hagar) to her husband TO BE HIS WIFE." GENESIS 16:3

Deuteronomy 21:15-17 ESV / 31 helpful votes

�If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him children, and if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the unloved, who is the firstborn, but he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the firstfruits of his strength. The right of the firstborn is his.

The first Son of Abraham's Wife Hagar was Ishmael and he inherits all as the Bible states.

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Caringheart wrote: truthnowcome wrote: Caringheart wrote: kodoo wrote: Please look up; "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali" I like how this guy teaches.  He seems very peace among people, oriented. but he makes one mistake... Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.  Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.  Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God. Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first? asalaam. Peace unto you! I know what you are doing, I've been doing this for years, so please don't try that with me.   Greetings Br. zainool, I was only responding to kodoo, after watching the video.  I found it odd that what seemed to be a knowledgeable lecturer would say that Christians believed Isaac to be firstborn.   I think I have heard the same thing from other muslims(not scholars), and so I wonder if this is a common misconception among muslims. Jesus (S) inform you the the Kingdom of God which is another message will be giving to another nation which the Ishmalite fulfilled that. I established overwhelming in my others post, no need to repeat them here. It is my belief that Yshwe was referring to all people who would choose to believe in Him and follow His Word.  The 'gentiles who would be grafted in' to become God's people. From the old testament God had already designated that the people of Ishmael would be a separate people, great in number.  Undoubtedly the Creator already knew what role these people would serve in His plans. asalaam.

Peace to you!

Yes, the Creator not already know but inform you also in Isaiah 42 and 28.

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Isaiah 42 has to do with a prophecy of Almighty God�s servant whom He will send to the Gentile (entire whole) with his new law or I should say His new universal criterion of Judgment between right and wrong. This servant has to come from Ishmael�s descendant true Kedar (Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit�Isaiah.42:11; And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� Genesis 25:13).

 

 However, all Christian�s Scholars agreed that prophesies in Isaiah 42 is of Jesus (S) and ignoring the fact that Isaiah says: �My Servant or God Servant� and according to them Jesus (S) is God or son of God. What is more questionable is this �Servant� will bring judgment to the Gentiles and on the other hand Jesus (S) said the comforter will reprove the world (Gentiles) of judgment: �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John.16:8). If the Comforter will reprove the world (Gentile) of Judgment then the Comforter is a person according to Isaiah 42:1

 

�Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� (Iasiah.42:1)

 

This �Servant� was described as a �messenger� according to Isaiah 42 18 -19: �Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? Who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord�s servant? (Isaiah.42:18-19)

  

All prophets after Jacob (S) mentioned in the Bible came for the Israelites not Gentiles. This includes Jesus (S) (Matt.15:21-26, Matt. 10:5-6 and many more. And Jesus (S) did not stay on earth long enough to bring judgment to the Gentile. But Muhammad (S) he brought message which is the Criterion of Judgment between right and wrong to the Gentiles.

 

It mentioned in the Qur�an: �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur�an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the �Alamin (mankind and jinn).� (Q.25:1)

 

 How would the comforter reprove the world of Judgment? He would reprove the world of judgment when the everlasting Good News would have come. Revelation 14: 6-7 mentioned the coming of the universal Book of judgment:

 

�And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him for judgment is come.� (Rev.14:6-7)

That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it�s mentioned of an �angel coming from heaven� with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word �Euaggelizo� which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: �FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.� (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a �Judgment� to �preach� to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!�

The Qur�an makes that claimed in ch.26: 192-196.It mentioned:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1)

A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

�Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic� (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur�an 2:185)

 

That is exactly what Isaiah prophecy, that the Judgment to the Gentiles is the law. It mentioned:

3-A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:3-4)

 

For the LAW was given by Moses� (John.1:17)

 

  Moses (S) was a Law Giver, and then come another law giver, the Comforter: �He shall reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John 16:8). Jesus (S) did not set Judgment on the earth he said the Comforter will in John 16:8; and Muhammad (S) he establishes a state and ruled with his law that given by God Almighty.  Therefore he set Judgment in the earth and he did not fail and he was not discouraged, he is the universal law giver to the Gentiles.

 

 Isaiah.42:9 clearly stated:

 

�Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you.�(Isaiah 42:9) 

 

The former things are the old law and have to replace with new law (the Islamic law),

 

 

Also in Isaiah 49: 10 it mentioned of the �scepter and law giver� will remove from Judah, it was remove at the time of Muhammad (S); unto him shall the gathering of the people be:

 

�The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.� Isaiah.49:10  

 

 

In verse 2 it mentioned:

 

2-He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (Isaiah 42:2)

 

 Here the word: �not cry� is used as �not complain about the duty that gave to him� because we see in verse 13 God says ��he shall cry.� There is a difference between these two using of the word �cry.� Now, in the book of Matt.26:37-39 Jesus (S) said: ��My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death�and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible. Let the cup pass from me: nevertheless not as my will.� We cannot say that Jesus (S) never complained. But if you read the history of Muhammad (S) / the history of Islam you cannot find one complaining word of Muhammad (S) about his mission (duty) that given by God Almighty.

 

 

This Servant would be call in righteousness, and given a covenant for his people and a light of the Gentile:

 

5-Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heaven, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth and that which comes out of it; he that givith breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein. 6-I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and well keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people. For a light of the Gentile. (Isaiah.42:5-6)

 

�       Righteousness: And verily, you [O Muhammad (pbuh)] are on an exalted (standard of) character. (Q.68:4)

 

�       Covenant: Behold! Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, Saying: �I gave you a Book and Wisdom; then come to you a Messenger [Muhammad (pubh)], confirming what is with you; Do you believe in him and render help.� Allah said: �Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?� They said: �We agree. �He said: Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witness. (Q.3:8)

 

�       For a light of the Gentile: �Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light [Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)] and a plain Book (the Qur�an). (N.Q.5:15); We have not sent thee but as a (Universal Messenger) to all mankind. (Q.34:28)

 

 

Moving on to verse 7 it mentioned:

 

7-To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. (Isaiah 42:7)

 

�To open blind eyes� If we read verse 19 we will see more clearly that the world is used as �idiom.� Meaning, he will show people the things that they did not know and will show people how to comprehend God and His Message.

 

�Prison� is used as idiom too. If a spirit doesn�t know God and doesn�t obeying Him, then that spirit is in prison of Satan, and that person is prisoner of Satan. By accepting oneness of God and by obeying Him, the spirit of a person will be free and this makes that person free from prison of Satan. And in verse 8 God Almighty clearly states what He meant.

 

8-I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glories will I not gave to another, neither my praise to graven image. (Isaiah.42:8)

And the Qur�an mentioned:

�Call upon Allah, or call upon al Rahman. By what ever name ye call upon Him. {It is well}: for to Him belong the most beautiful names. (Q.17:110)

 

 With explanation of verse 7, we understand that the person that God is talking about will come to a place that people worship idols as their gods. From verse 7and 8, we understand that God Almighty is not talking about Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S), because Jesus (S) came to the Israelites and they were not worshiping idols, but Muhammad (S) came during the Jahillia (ignorance) period of Arabs and destroys the idols. If we read verse 17, it will be understood more clearly.

 

 

10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth� (Isaiah.42:10) 

 

  The Qur�an is the new song, if you want to hear this new song please listen to some one reciting the Qur�an, you will understand what God Almighty is talking about, it message has already reach to the end of the earth. <>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp4rQL_iI6Y

 

11-Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout from the top of the mountains. (Isaiah.42:11)

 

  In the O.T. there is only one personality called Kedar, and Kedar is the descendant of Ishmael�s (S), (And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth�and Kedar...� Genesis 25:13; And he (Ishmael) dwelt in the wilderness of Paran Genesis 21:21. It has nothing to do with Jesus (S) but Muhammad (S).

 

  As you can see, Muhammad (S) is descendant of Abraham�s (S) through Ishmael (S) and the cities that they inhabited are in Arabia namely: Paran (Makah), Telma (Tema/ Teman), Yathrib (Al-Madina Al- Munawwarah) etc. And If you observe the ritual of Muslim (especially during Hajj), you will see that cities (Makah and Al Medina) lift up their voices meaning: people shout and glorify Allah (S) from top of mountains, especially Mt. Arafat. You can also see this in every Muslim country when Muslims are called to prayer, the Muezzins read the Adhan (calling to prayer) that sound like a song and even far from the city you can hear this Adhan, it will look like that city lift up its voice.

 

12-Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands. (Isaiah 42:12)

 

 It says here: �Let them� who is them? It is the descendants of Kedar�s.

 

God Almighty promise for Ishmael (S): �And as for Ishmael� Behold I have bless him twelve Princes shall he beget, and I will make him a Great Nation.� (Genesis 17:20)

 

13-The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies. (Isaiah.42:13)

 

 In the Old Testament when God said he does a certain thing, he often used an angel or a prophet sometimes, example:

 

And the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with ten thousand saints: from his right hand went a fiery law. (Duet.33:2)

 

Does the Lord rose up from Seir? Did he come from Paran? No! His message came from those places through Prophets.  

 

14-I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a traveling woman; I will destroy and devour at once. (Isaiah.42:14)

 

 If we examine the history of Prophet (S) you will see that he was preaching the message peacefully and the unbeliever begin to prosecuting him and his� followers until he migrates to Medina where he received revelation to fight them, and many war he did fought and win. That verse also tied into Habakkuk 3 where the �Holy One from Mt. Paran� invaded them with his troops. For in keeping with the message in context I have included explanation on �PARAN� where Ishmael (S) dwelt.

 

 

THE HOLY ONE FROM MT. PARAN

 

HABAKKUK 3:3-16:

 

�And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. (Habakkuk.3:3)

 

 The name �Muhammad� mean �the praise one� he is the Se-lah.

 

None of the Israelites, including Jesus, had anything to do with Paran. Hagar, with her son Ishmael, wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, who afterwards dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: �And he [Ishmael (S)] dwelt in the wilderness of Paran (Genesis 21:21).

 

 The only one who claimed to have come from the descendant of Ishmael (S) is Muhammad (S), he is the Holy one from Mt. Paran and the Holy One from Mount Paran he came with the war cry to destroy and devour at once, he shall prevail against his enemies just as Isaiah 42 mentioned above. Also, he shall bring Salvation and his message is universal:

 

Habakkuk 3:11-13 mentioned:

 

��at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the ANOINTED; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah.� (Habk.3:11-13)

He stood and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations�His way are everlasting. (Habk.3:6)

 Measured the earth: Meaning: His message is for the whole earth (universal message) and His way are everlasting.

Qur�an conforms:

�We have not sent thee but as a (universal Messenger) to ALL mankind, giving glad tiding and warn them (against sin), but most of mankind knows not.� (Q.34:28)

And Habakkuk mentioned:

 

��When he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.� (Habk.3:16)

 

Histories of Islam have it that Muhammad (S) invades Mecca with ten thousand followers only kill six persons who were among the leaders:

 

Thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Se-lah. (Habk.3:13)

 

The advent of Muhammad (S) in the book of Revelation:

 

��when the lamb opened one of the seal�behold a white horse: he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.� Rev.6:1-2

 

It is also mentioned in Duet.33:2 (KJV):

 

�And he [Moses (S)] said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with �ten thousand Saints�: from his right hand went a �fiery Law� for them.�

 

In these words the Lord has been compared with the �sun.� He comes from Sinai, he rises from Seir, but he shines in his full glory from Paran, where he had to appear with ten thousands of saints with a fiery law in his right hand.

 

 Also in Jude 1:14-15

 

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:14-15

 

That is exactly what Muhammad (S) did: He (S) came with ten thousand saints, He (S) execute judgment upon all, He convince all that were ungodly among His people of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which they ungodly sinners have spoken against him. You don�t have to believe me, go to the internet and look his� history for yourself; and Jude 1:15 mentioned there: �15To execute judgment upon all�

Allah (S) conform it in the Qur�an:

�Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures. (Q.25:1)

Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong).� (Qur�an 2:185)

  Muhammad (S) received revelation in the cave of Mount Hira in Arabia (Paran), later to be known as Jabal-un-Noor (Mountain of Light). After his migration to Medina, he returns and invades Mecca with �ten thousand Saints� and he establishes the �fiery Law� (Islamic law). Moses (S) is the only law giver in the O.T. and he prophesies another law giver which is Muhammad (S).                                                                          

 

For the LAW was given by Moses (John.1:17).Then the new Song: new law (Isaiah 42:10)

 

And his (the Holy one from Mt. Paran) brightness was as the light, he had horns coming out of his hand. (Habk.3:4)

 

 Horns represent kings: Rev.17:12 and the ten horns�are ten kings.

 

Qur�an conforms:

 

�Oh Prophet! Truly, We have sent you as�a lamp spreading Light.� (Q.33:45-46)

 

 

ISAIAH 42 CONTINUES:

 

15- I will make waste mountain and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and dry up the pools. (Isaiah 42:15)

 

  Here God Almighty is talking about desert where Ishmael dwelt (Paran: in Arabia). In desert place, where mountains and hills of sand are not steady, they diminish with winds and another appears. And you cannot find rivers but small water island as described by God Almighty. And this verse it has nothing to do with Jesus (S).

 

16-And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in the path that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them (Kedarites: Ishmaelite), and not forsake them. (Isaiah.42:16)

 

 God Almighty did not forget the Ishmaelite he brings them out of darkness into light, he lead them into a path they knew not with the advent of Muhammad (S).

 

  Because verse 22 said:

 

�But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for prey, and none saith, delivereth, for a spoil, and none, restore.� (Exp. of �prison� at verse7)

 

 �And none delivereth� and none saith, restore� God was talking about corrupted society of pagan Arabs. And, indeed, He had not sent any prophet to the Arabs until the advent of Muhammad (S). But up to Jesus (S), many prophets had been sent to Israelites, so this verse has nothing to do with Jesus (S).

 

17-They shall be turned back they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, ye are our gods. (Isaiah.42:17)

 

  This is exactly what pagans Arabs did, when they heard the message that given to Muhammad (S) by God Almighty. They offered money, authority and many things to our prophet and he did not accept any of them. They ashamed, because they thought that all others Arabs will mock them, and not visit the Kaba (at that time they were using the Kaba as place of the idols that all other Arab tribes were using) and this would be their economic end. And they turned to graven image and they asked help from those image. As you can see this has nothing to do with Jesus (S). So God Almighty said to all those who read this message:

 

18-Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. (Isaiah.42:18)

 

See what verse 19 and 20 tells us what? It reads:

 

19-Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? Who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord�s servant?

20-Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

 

In other words this Messenger before his call to prophet hood he was blind to the truth and deaf to the understanding of the truth� to the extent that he didn�t know to read and write but was perfect role model to his people, he was described by his people as the �truthful one� although he saw all those malpractices in his society he did not take part of it� he was a righteous man and God Almighty was pleased with him to send his �new universal law�.

 

21-The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness sake; he will magnify the (new) law, and make it honorable. (Isaiah 42:21)

 

So the God of Isaiah asks:

 

23-Who among you will give ear to this? Who will hearken and hear for the time to come?

 

Who will become Muslim? The Noble call:

 

�O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you�� (Q.4:47)

 �Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

Caringheart wrote: kodoo wrote: Please look up; "What Do Muslims Think of Jews Event by Hajj Hassanain Rajabali" I like how this guy teaches.  He seems very peace among people, oriented. but he makes one mistake... Christians do not deny that Ishmael was born first... Jews and Christians both know that this is true... but Ishmael was not the son promised to Abraham... for God said He would give Abraham a son through his wife Sarai.  Isaac was the promised son... the son born within the will of God.  Ishmael was conceived outside the will of God. Is it a common misconception among muslims to think that Christians and Jews believe Isaac was born first? asalaam.

Peace unto you!

I know what you are doing, I've been doing this for years, so please don't try that with me.

Jesus (S) inform you the the Kingdom of God which is another message will be giving to another nation which the Ishmalite fulfilled that. I established overwhelming in my others post, no need to repeat them here.

At the coming of the Kingdom of God the Devil will also have a Church here and it is mentioned in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

 Rev.2:9 �I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
  Rev3:9 �Behold, I will make them of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Edited by truthnowcome - 09 September 2014 at 11:06pm