ISIS: How can Muslim Religious Leaders Stop It

Caringheart wrote: Greetings Abu Loren,Your reply to marcello confuses me.� Which is it, 'proof he has a closed mind', or proof he is 'a free thinker'?asalaam,CH

Well closed mind in the sense that he cannot SEE God Almighty. Closed mind in the sense that God Almighty has set a seal in his heart so that he doesn't see the big picture.

He is a free thinker because he can think whatever he likes. He can think that there is no God because he is free to do so. Like I've pointed so many times here, a slave of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala cannot think like that because a slave has limitations. Thinking that there is no God is unthinkable. :)

So true freedom for these people is believing that there is no God and doing everything they possibly can to displease the Creator. They wouldn't, for example, think anything of it whilst they drink alcohol, fornicate, commit murder etc. All they have to worry about is the earthly law and possibly spending time in jail. So in that respect they are also FREE.

marcello wrote: You seem to think that anyone who does not accept the Quran as the revealed word of Allah has a "closed mind". Exactly the opposite is true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and that is sorely lacking for the supposed divine source of the Quran. In both ways: first, that a divinity even exists, and second, that the divinity revealed him/her/itself in the Quran. Try freeing your mind (difficult, I know, for a slave of Allah). See what is possible when you embrace freedom.

Proof positive that your mind is closed. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala tells us in the Qur'an that the minds of people like you have a seal against understanding the Qur'an and Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. A free mind will think to do anything it feels like such as sinning and wouldn't even are about it. The opposite is true of the believer because he knows that this life is a test and those who pass the test will spend eternity with our Maker Alhamdulilah.

On reading the Qur'an with an open heart I cannot come any other conclusion than that IS indeed from our Creator, a human being does not have the capacity to 'write' the Qur'an.

By the way, I too was a 'free thinker' and I thank Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala for making me realise that I am nothing more than a slave to His Will. Otherwise I would be in clear error just like you.

What will you do if there was indeed a Resurrection?

Will you still be arrogant as you are now?

Abu Loren wrote: That's all well and good but the four of you do not understand Islam for one thing and with your closed minds you are not even trying to understand. What's been posted is just your worthless opinions.

You seem to think that anyone who does not accept the Quran as the revealed word of Allah has a "closed mind". Exactly the opposite is true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and that is sorely lacking for the supposed divine source of the Quran. In both ways: first, that a divinity even exists, and second, that the divinity revealed him/her/itself in the Quran.

Try freeing your mind (difficult, I know, for a slave of Allah). See what is possible when you embrace freedom.

Caringheart wrote: Greetings Abu Loren,But then we would never have the pleasure of enlightening people who need enlightenment.� [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />No, but in seriousness...we wouldn't have the opportunity to try to understand how one another thinks, or to pursue understanding between us.We will only find God's best through communication with one another. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />� Putting up walls helps no one.asalaam,CH

That's all well and good but the four of you do not understand Islam for one thing and with your closed minds you are not even trying to understand. What's been posted is just your worthless opinions.