abortion

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Angela go back to my oroginal post and click on the Blue highlighted writting they are links to the original fatwah not simply writing which is highlighted in blue and underlined so it stands out

May i dont know what you are talking about in America abortion is an option for women if they choose it, so for a muslim to follow what there religion says is well within American laws, please dont throw out there generalised statments espetialy regarding Islamic law when non muslims simply treat them  as they would any other law, they do not understand them and there nature so they have no right to comment on them in such a manner.

If you are a muslims by some chance i sugest learning more about what shariah law is from reliable traditional sources, about how it is implamented in non muslim countries and what your responsibility is.

just some advice only a muslim government has the right for punishment and only in there lands, so no choping of hands or stonning to death or what ever stereotyopical image you have of our faith, it is haram to take matters into your own hands.

Can non muslims stop commenting on this topic your input is not asked for this isnt a discussion a muslim is asking for Islamic advice not confusion from your end. If you wish to discuss this by all means you are more than welcome to start a seperate topic in the relavent sections.

This interferance is the main issue moderators have with non muslims, a muslim can not seek advice from another muslim without a non muslim confusing the issue, we dont mind simple questions to clarify a point but this is getting out of hand.

The main reason for this site is to guide muslims then it is to educate non muslims please show some wisdom on the matter.

i wont be around for 2 weeks so i wont be able to reply to anything being said.


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Bismillah,

I am thinking of the Saudi girl who was raped by her brother's friend and then after she had the baby, she was dragged out of the hospital and murdered.  They said she enticed him to do it.  I read this here on IC.

I would rather have had this girl:  Escape to a safe place to have the baby secretly, or if that couldn't be done, abort it as early after the pregnancy was known as possible.  Many people have tough situations like this one, and I am not in their shoes.  Who will take care of her baby?  The wonderful family that so irresponsibly didn't protect her, their own child?

This situation resulted in the death of the mother, although it wasn't medical, rather societal.  Thank God many women are not faced with their own deaths because of Roe v Wade.

Because Nausheen we see life present at conception and that is the life worth preserving. It is dangerous to start implying when a human has a soul and I think it's obvious why. All over the world there is this problem of preserving innocent life and I have yet to see Muslims take a huge stand on it. In Holland for example now children who are born with major handicaps are being executed by euthenasia with the consent of their parents.

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Angela wrote: Sorry Herjihad, Rami But I have yet to see the verse in the Quran that says we don't get our souls until three months? Where is the verse?

Angela, The Quran is sometimes silent on certain specifics, which are detailed in the hadith literature.

If I am not wrong the following verses are closest to your querry:

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YUSUFALI: He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay,
PICKTHAL: Who made all things good which He created, and He began the creation of man from clay;
SHAKIR: Who made good everything that He has created, and He began the creation of man from dust.

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YUSUFALI: And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised:
PICKTHAL: Then He made his seed from a draught of despised fluid;
SHAKIR: Then He made his progeny of an extract, of water held in light estimation.

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YUSUFALI: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!
PICKTHAL: Then He fashioned him and breathed into him of His Spirit; and appointed for you hearing and sight and hearts. Small thanks give ye!
SHAKIR: Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit, and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.

Thru the hadith we get a closer picture of the events that follow in succession in a mother's womb.

The following are from Al-Bukhari

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud

Allah's Apostle the true and truly inspired, narrated to us, "The creation of everyone of you starts with the process of collecting the material for his body within forty days and forty nights in the womb of his mother. Then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period (40 days) and then he becomes like a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then an angel is sent to him (by Allah) and the angel is allowed (ordered) to write four things; his livelihood, his (date of) death, his deeds, and whether he will be a wretched one or a blessed one (in the Hereafter) and then the soul is breathed into him.So one of you may do (good) deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise so much that there is nothing except a cubit between him and Paradise but then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of Hell (Fire) and (ultimately) enters Hell (Fire); and one of you may do (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of Hell (Fire) so much so that there is nothing except a cubit between him and Hell (Fire), thenwhat has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing(good) deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and ultimately) enters Paradise."

Narrated 'Abdullah

Allah's Apostle, the truthful and truly-inspired, said, "Each one of you collected in the womb of his mother for forty days, and then turnsinto a clot for an equal period (of forty days) and turns into a piece of flesh for a similar period (of forty days) and then Allah sends an angel and orders him to write four things, i.e., his provision, his age, and whether he will be of the wretched or the blessed (in the Hereafter). Then the soul is breathed into him. And by Allah, a personamong you (or a man) may do deeds of the people of the Fire till thereis only a cubit or an arm-breadth distance between him and the Fire, but then that writing (which Allah has ordered the angel to write) precedes, and he does the deeds of the people of Paradise and enters it; and a man may do the deeds of the people of Paradise till there isonly a cubit or two between him and Paradise, and then that writing precedes and he does the deeds of the people of the Fire and enters it."

Narrated Abdullah

Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother forthe first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for an other forty days, and then a piece of flesh for an other forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four words: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it,and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and entersParadise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire.

 Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud

Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of theCreation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise."

Every life is sacred in Islam, and even one taken away in injustice is like a murder of entire mankind. It is as straightforward as this.

Abortion is not permissible for petty reasons like "I was not ready". it was an accident, we are not financially stable etc etc ...

I have skimed thru your responses Angela, perhaps I should give more time, but so far I am unable to understand why you cannot see the regard for soul in Islam. Or why you had been re-emphasising your point when it was said already that aborting a pregnancy is wrong in Islam.

Peace,

Nausheen

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