Understanding the ’Oneness’ of God

Israfil wrote: Brother Shams our numeric system is neither divine nor comes from any other being except us through God's will, so long as we ( humans) exist so does our numeric system. the moment we cease the moment our numeric sytem ceases this is how our numeric system is finite. Also, when we look at numbers all the individual numbers aren't constant, therefore because there are additional numbers each individual number is finite. for example when we say 3+3=6 because our goal is to get to see we need 3 additonal numbers (if we add 3) to get to 6 unfortunately we cannot get 6 from just the number  3 making 3 individually a finite number. Perhaps the only number numerically that can be said tobe infinite are rational numbers which contain a decimal but contains the same number For example .333333333333 to infinity is a rational number but if it were .382654 that is irrational thus not infinite in number. God like .3 bar is infinite and constant but again we equate God to our numeric system we limit him. remember the qur'an is also revealed in a human language, Arabic for understanding. If  God is incomprehensible we cannot logically say we "comprehend" his oneness. We cannot comprehend him yes but we cannot say that we comprehend "his numeric value either."

Israil,

All these numbers are confusing me.  I do not believe that God is a fraction, like 1/3, or a reciprocal 3/1, or some other number like 13 or 31 or anything else just because they are "prime" or something.

I understand that the Holy Quran says "God is One".  Almighty God is one Principal, the Principal that guides all of Creation, here on Earth, and on Betelgeuse 500 light years away, and in the Andromeda Galaxy 1,000,000 light years away, out to the farthest limits of our telescopes and beyond.  All ~1 trillion cubic megaparsecs of the Heavens obey one set of Physical Laws.  We do not look out past some distance, or in some direction, and see a galaxy with a different law of gravity, for example.  How could even the Earth and Moon interact with 2 laws of Gravity?  If gravity pulled down on Earth, but pushed away from the Moon, there would be no stable interaction, but only chaos.  So much more for clusters of galaxies interacting involving hundreds of billions of solar masses of gas and dust.

All these obey One set of Physical Laws.  Who made those Laws?  Who made all the matter in the stars?  Did you?  Did Jack over there?  Did Jack make all that?  He did??  Can he do it again, with people watching?

All the Heavens obey One set of Physical Laws that are, at root, simple and elegant.  In Physics, you are taught that "Nature Prefers Simplicity".  And what is Simpler or more Whole than "One".

Almighty God is beyond our wildest imaginations.  Try to hold in your mind the concept of "1 Trillion Cubic Megaparsecs of Visible Universe Alone".  It breaks our mortal brains.

But throughout is still the same One Principal, One Set of Laws, One Way of Doing Business, Everywhere, All the Time, All at Once.  No Exceptions.  Ever.  Try and make one!  Try to make Gravity stop working!  Go ahead!  You won't break God's Laws, it won't happen.  Try!  "And in the news today, Jack Smith made the Laws of Physics stop..."  -- we haven't read that headline, yet, anyway.

So Almighty God is beyond our comprehension.  And Utter, Total, and Absolute, in His turf (all Creation).

It seems to me to be a fine line between the presumptive arrogance of assuming we can "know God"... and denying the Infinte Gift of Free Will, Reason, and Mind that we have to prevent ourselves from trying to even answer obvious questions like "the nature of God".  Can we mortal men not coin a word that conveys the very inconceivability of Almighty God?  Perhaps our mortal minds are week and unseeing and unhearing and unfathoming -- but nothing in All of Almighty God's own handiwork is hard for Him to know.  A microwave photon excites an orbital electron in a silicon atom on a grain of dust somewhere in the vast inter-stellar reaches of the Milky Way's unfathomable Galactic Disk, 50,000 light years away.  Almighty God saw it, heard it, and knew it in Real Time.  Men might not, but Almighty God, unfathomably, knows all.  Nothing escapes His ever-watching gaze -- by definition, it cannot, and will not, ever.

Can we say that, perhaps?, "Almighty God is One, Utterly Beyond All"

Annie by knowing ourselves how do we know God? the true knowledge of God is unabtainable so how can we know true knowledge if we ourselves are limited?

Note:

My apologies to all as I made a mathematical mistake. When you get .3 bar or .3333333333 to infinity unfortuately due to my early rush I cannot totally explain but it's simple algebra. If you square root a number sometimes you'll get the square root of a number such as the square root of 4 is 2 or the square root of 10 is 5 etc. Also when I mentioned the problem 3+3=6 even though Angel may have gotten it others may not have.

When I say when we attribute numbers to God such as saying he is one I mean tto say the number One as we know of the number it in it of itself is finite on our numeric system. For example if were to get to the number five we would go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. By logic 2 being the greater number to one and three by being the greater number to 2 1 is finite individually because it is not a constant number. .333333333 on the other hand is constant because it goes all the way to ad infinitum. But .333333 where I made the mistake of allocating this to God is not infinite by law, but there has to be a calculation inn which makes it infinite mathematically such as squarte rooting a number to come out and make it a decimal

Brother Shams our numeric system is neither divine nor comes from any other being except us through God's will, so long as we ( humans) exist so does our numeric system. the moment we cease the moment our numeric sytem ceases this is how our numeric system is finite. Also, when we look at numbers all the individual numbers aren't constant, therefore because there are additional numbers each individual number is finite. for example when we say 3+3=6 because our goal is to get to see we need 3 additonal numbers (if we add 3) to get to 6 unfortunately we cannot get 6 from just the number  3 making 3 individually a finite number.

Perhaps the only number numerically that can be said tobe infinite are rational numbers which contain a decimal but contains the same number For example .333333333333 to infinity is a rational number but if it were .382654 that is irrational thus not infinite in number. God like .3 bar is infinite and constant but again we equate God to our numeric system we limit him. remember the qur'an is also revealed in a human language, Arabic for understanding. If  God is incomprehensible we cannot logically say we "comprehend" his oneness. We cannot comprehend him yes but we cannot say that we comprehend "his numeric value either."