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    Posted: 28 September 2016 at 10:33am
Hello. I had thought my thread died so I hadn't looked at it for a while, and had been away from my home town and therefore the coffee house for a while.

The 'problem', insofar as it is one, has died down really. I have given up either greeting her or giving her a quick attempt at a smile and am trying to press on with my own activities, but I do feel a bit saddened still for the time being.

I should clarify that she spends a lot of time in that place. It's her right to and to spend it on her own or with whoever she likes, but I don't think she feels she may not socialise or partake in caffeine or anything like that, if that was implied before. I'm not angry at her or judging her but I reserve my right to feel an actual sadness for the time being. I don't think there is enough mixing, at least in a town like mine, and I think more mixing between cultures would be healthier. I hope I find someone who will take the place I hoped she might.

It's true that I could find out what I'd like to know here and from books, but I'm pretty solitary, reluctantly, and would like to have discovered these things in the context of a friendship. I'd like to have asked her about Amina Wadud and Laila Ahmed and the like, and whether most of her guidance was from men when she was converting. I was interested in how she feels about possible conflict in her life as an intellectually capable person and as a woman - how much of what goes through her mind does she have to let go of, and so on. Things that take some diplomacy and care to ask about.

Part of me wonders if she's read this and recognised herself.

I imagine this matter is pretty dead now, though it could be resuscitated if I should meet a replacement.

Whether God is something pre-existing or whether it's a faculty human beings have evolved, my intentions are genuine, and I would say to anyone living by God, at this difficult and far from peaceful time on a world heading for ecological destruction regardless of creed and allegiance: if my actions towards this woman aren't God working through a human being, then what is?
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Dear Bro id665310, I am really not very clear about your question other than merely a comment or opinion about your interest in a Muslim Lady. Your selfless intentions to help her are highly appreciated, but when you say "I would like a dialogue and friendship with her...", I think now you are expecting something payback from her? Is that correct? However, if you are interested in knowing about Islam that might help you in your objective, then you may ask specific question as a starting point. Hope by answering my specific questions, we shall have very fruitful discussion on this forum. Till then, best regards.
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Abuayisha: Stay away from her.

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Edited by airmano - 11 September 2016 at 2:58pm
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 September 2016 at 7:54am
Id, welcome! You mentioned going to another coffee shop, and that may indeed be your best bet in this situation. Her religion will not allow for sitting and chatting with you on any regular basis in the coffee shop. Seems that we never really outgrow infatuations, but take the highroad and properly manage this one. Stay away from her. All the best!
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Thanks to both of you.

There might be translation/communication problems here, but I am still very grateful for contributions that have been made or that might be made.

I think as oxymoronic as it sounds that I probably am, in fact, a confirmed agnostic. I think human beings do not have the tools to know and that we merely commit to ideas based on our fallible experiences, and that this is all we have. I would not want to offend anyone by saying this and am merely saying that this is where my particular life has led me. Though being an agnostic of the type I am causes much doubt, doubt can be an oddly positive thing - it limits aggression and can limit any instinct to impose will on others or to expect others to see things as the agnostic does. This is something that can facilitate peace.

My interest in this woman is as I portray it. I think there would be some beauty in being a friend of someone with a different ontological makeup who is still very conceivably an ally. I can see, David, that you think this woman's religiosity has caused my dormant one to flicker, and it may be so, but I'm inclined to think things are as I present them on this occasion, as stated above.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DavidC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 September 2016 at 4:51am
Respectfully, id, it sounds as if you are not a true agnostic anymore but rather a seeker who still has deep doubts. If this woman is leading you to learn more about Islam something decidedly non-agnostic is in play.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asep48garut60 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 September 2016 at 1:09am
Hello id665310,
I apologize if there are errors in giving advice or thoughts requested by you, however, can it be explained more specifically ? so that we can capture directly what's the real intention.

Thank you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote id665310 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 September 2016 at 12:26pm
Hello. I see there there have been 19 views of my post. I understand that my post is unusual and perhaps awkward. I'm also very grateful that the moderators have granted me the use of the forum to post. If people here do not feel able to offer comments, would it be possible to summarise why? Even this might be of some assistance.

I can see from some perusal here that people do come here to cause trouble and I'd like to assure you that I have not. I have the same intentions here as I have towards this woman.

Thanks.
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