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    Posted: 21 April 2006 at 12:24pm

Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Well this is why I don't believe that humans have 'free will' in the sense of the word, but have the capcity to act.

just exactly what is this supposed to mean, israfil?  if humans do not have free will, then they can only act according to a pre-determined course.  in which case, what does the "capacity to act" mean?  surely if your statement is true,  they cannot avoid acting the way they do, in which case it must be said they have no capacity at all to act other than they do.  what kind of capacity is this?

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Al Salamu Alaykum Wa Rahamtu Allahi Wa Barakatuh,

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Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

JazakAllah khair brother Ahmed for the link, i was trying to find something similar.

hi harry, i was just wondering whether u actually have ever read a Book which its people call divine? anyway now u got chance to actually c the proof and then come and tell us what u think

wassalam 

Say: (O Muhammad) If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
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Well this is why I don't believe that humans have 'free will' in the sense of the word, but have the capcity to act.
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Al Salamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatu Allahi Wa Barakatuh,

God does not send people to hellfire out of the joy of it. It is true that God can prevent these people from existing in the first place because he knows what they will be doing, but you seem to be missing the point. This is their choice. He gave them the freedom to choose and thats what they chose so He will give to them.

As for proof that the Quran is really sent from Allah and that Mohammed is a prophet, well its easy. All you have to do is look up some of the scientific miracles mentioned in the Quran. The Quran is full of verses (and so is Hadeeth) that mention scientific facts that were only known to man hundreds of years later. Also keep in mind that the prophet was illiterate. So there is no way he or any human could have written this book. It has to bne a divine revelation. For example search up Dr. Kieth Moore on the net. He is a pioneer in the field of embroyolgy, who as also an athiest and when someone presented some Quranic verses to him a few years ago depicting scientific facts about embroyology, he said that if he was presented with these verses 30 years earlier, he would not have been able to decide whether they were true or not because science wasn't advanced enough to help discover these facts. Soon after that he reverted to Islam. The examples are many. Visit www.irf.net and you will find many many more examples.

 

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Originally posted by Harry Harry wrote:

I see some people missed the point I was making. So let me try to clarify. Is it more merciful to let someone be born that will burn for an eternity, even after the most wonderful short-lived life possible here on earth? Or is it more merciful to simply not allow such a being to exist in the first place? I say, do not allow me to exist at all, if you will condemn me to hell for any period of time.

Actually, you are missing the point. You are condemning yourself to the hellfire or not.  You have free will and can choose which way you go.

It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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Again Harry..... you are missing the point

Even when God are giving us his attribues these are comprehensive attributes which we can partially identify God by. What I mean by identify I mean that which is necessary to understand not necessarily try to figure out. True God is All-knowing and knows th sinner's actions aforehand and although God has the will to not create such an individual he still does. Why? These are the great mysteris of asking such philosophical questions. However I don't think of these philosophical issues. I tend to look at these attributes as guiding points in understanding something about God.

I can make a whole arguement in defense of God's attributes but I'm merely stating that why go this far?

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Israfil,
It is interesting that you say we should not give attributes to God. But where did these contradicting attributes come from. Not from me, but from the Qur'an. I am merely pointing out that the attributes given contradict themselves from a human being point of view. And since I trust God gave us enough sense to know when something is contradictory, then that which is written is simply false. Now, if what is written is not contradictory to God, then I still have to question why not make sure the Qur'an cannot be viewed as a flawed piece of literature? I trust if God wanted us to accept the Qur'an as the "Word of God", no one, including myself, could ever find a single contradiction within the written words (even if it is only in our limited human minds).

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