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    Posted: 27 April 2006 at 2:14am

When I first time heard this so called "Satanic verses" topic the first thing I did was by checking the chapter itself as we have it today, regradless of what the historians has penned it down or tafsir. Put it simply chapter 53 as we have it now and that's all we have. But as I suspect, I did not and still don't know how to connect the chapter with history which was written long after the completion of the Qur'an.

One of the good example to see this type is, when Rosulallah, Sollallahu alaihi wasallam just passed away. The whole community was in chaos after living with him for 23 years as their leader - and for all sudden he was not there. Umar bin Khattab declared that he would kill anyone who dare to say that Mukhammad is dead. In that time Abu Bakr stood up and read a verse, this is the verse he read:

Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels ? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. (3:144)

So according to history when Umar heard this ayah he said he never heard it, or as though he never heard it.

Here is the point to ponder. The verse quoted as though it is a match with the commotion penned in the history. OR was this verse revealed AFTER the Prophet died?

I am only trying to make a point here - not to connect the spiritual purpose of the Qur'an with the historical stuff. The "Satanic verses" is fully derived from historical point of view. As we know this kind of thing is always attracting interest. Btw I like controversies myself.

I hope this does help especially for sister Suzanne. I will post more for this if I have more, inshaallah.

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Salem Mishmish,

Inshallah I will check it out.

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Oh! I give up sis. I really mean it. Kindly continue on the topic discussion rather than nailing me down through hair spliting. Just think, I am nothing and no body. Just ignore what ever I said. I apologize, sincerely. Kindly argue the topic or ask questions, or what ever you want. Peace.
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Assalamu Alaikum:

Sister Suzanne, there is a wonderful book called: AR-RAHEEQ AL-MAKHTUM (The Sealed Nectar) by Safi-ur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri.

It is a biography of the Prophet's (PBUH) life and is very detailed.

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Srya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 2006 at 2:25pm

Salem AhmadJoyia,

You typed:Oh! Did I offend someone? That is a rhetorical question. Because it's obvious on your reply; also since you responded twice to my posts you should know my Name is Suzanne. But, I would like for you to know your apology is accepted anyway. Thanks.

You typed:" I felt that repeating someone's fictitious opinion is same as promoting his views. "

"Same as promoting his views"???

Please WHO is the person you are referring to? What views are you referring to? This is also a possible rhetorical question to me. Considering my replay to your post. My opinion my efforts to take the time to explain to you what was clearly obvious I hope has not gone overlooked again. However, once should not assume. So, before I continue on this issue. I will wait for your response. Please.

You also typed:" Kindly see that the originator of these comments has not pressed the arguments on it" This is a suggestion to me to take notice. However, where in my post did I imply otherwise? Again, I was making an observation. Second time reinterating this.

I find this interesting what you typed in the next sentence. You choose to use the word "pick". But, brother are you not doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing? Because, all I did AGAIN was make an observation (3rd). I did cut and paste also typed my opinion. From viewing your posts in this thread you have also done the same with opinion and cut & paste. So, please clear this up for me.

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Oh! Did I offend someone? I am really sorry for that. I never intended but gave an honest suggestion. In doing so, I felt that repeating someone's fictatious opinon is same as promoting his views. Also, these didn't merit a bit of consideration at all. Kindly see that the originator of these comments has not pressed the arguments on it other than leaving it for others to pick themselves to have discussion  on it. Best we can do, in such situations is to ask him/her to provide the reference for his info. This act alone, I think, would be sufficient to make him realize his/her mistake. Peace.
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Salem AhmadJoyia,

I have no argument. Where is that coming from?I was merely making an observation; and YES what I pasted I know that it is simply an opinion. Did I say otherwise? Or, did you not see that those are not my views they are from another member?

You typed: Is that they way of doing research? I don't think

I am assuming you typed this in response to what I put. I will paste here: am wanting to get a better understanding of the life of Muhammad (pbuh) than what I have. It is so upsetting though that there are so many anti Islamic websites out there. For someone like me who is new, who wants to learn about Muhammad (pbuh) and the get a better understanding of what kind of man he was; gets clouded by these awful masked websites.

I can not say any clearer than what I typed.

I will suggest something to you what you posted except with references replace with reading other members posts and understanding what they are saying than taking offence to it:

Kindly assure (references) very deligently to avoid later embarrassments in your own views based on 'fictitious' references.

 

 

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Walikum us Salam sis Suzanne,

So whats your argument about? The 'something' you pasted is simply an opinion without providing any reference to it. Is that they way of doing research? I don't think. Kindly assure references very deligently to avoid later embarrassments in your own views based on 'fictatious' references.

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