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    Posted: 08 May 2006 at 8:21am

Serv,

How did you know that? My headmaster used to call me that.

Sometimes, I make specially tailored, made-to-measure and

perfect-fit-like-glove posts for Fredi and my good friend George.

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BMZ,

 

You are what the headmaster of my school would have called (�no-tee�), that is, a bit naughty, but funny and good-natured.  It�s probably a good thing that we didn�t sit across from each other in class, or catechism, or I would have gotten into even more trouble than I did!

 

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Fredi,

I will make it very easy for you, this time.

The Shias are Muslims. Period. They follow their own Imams like Sunnis follow theirs in general.

The Shias and Christians have one thing definitely in common!

And that is the Shias are always trying their very best and hard to find Ali in Qur'aan just like the Christians are always trying their very best and hard to find Jesus in every chapter of the Jewish Scriptures, the Jewish Tanakh (Jewish OT)     

The Christians have edited and reworded the Jewish OT to show that they found Jesus in the Jewish scriptures but the Shias have not done any thing such yet with Qur'aan to show that they found Ali.   

Good day, Mate.

 



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Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

fredi,

Shias follow the same Qur'aan as the Sunnis and the other Muslims do. It is still the same Qur'aan in every Shia's home.

I did my secondary school studies in an English medium technical school run by the Shias of Iran. I was the only "Sunni" Muslim in that school. I should be the better witness.

They do have differences in the interpretation of some verses and that is understandable. When the Shias stand in the Ka'aba and pray to God, they stand behind the "Sunni" Imam and follow. If the Qur'aan were really not correct, they would not do that.

 

yes of course they follow the same quran, bmz, it is all they have.  but it does not mean they do not have the brains to recognise the inherent weakness of the document.  it is a "make-do" for them.  they are waiting for the true, hidden quran to be revealed.  not that it ever will be of course, or if it is, who knows what it will be



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Originally posted by superme superme wrote:

Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

how many verses are there in the quran? - well that depends what kind of muslim you are.  shia believe the quran is incomplete and falsified, and should have 17000 ayat

Yeah I read that before. But when I asked the shiah themselves few times they seem don't know it themselves. So I guess to treat them as they are.

Alright, how many verses are they in it?



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fredi,

Shias follow the same Qur'aan as the Sunnis and the other Muslims do. It is still the same Qur'aan in every Shia's home.

I did my secondary school studies in an English medium technical school run by the Shias of Iran. I was the only "Sunni" Muslim in that school. I should be the better witness.

They do have differences in the interpretation of some verses and that is understandable. When the Shias stand in the Ka'aba and pray to God, they stand behind the "Sunni" Imam and follow. If the Qur'aan were really not correct, they would not do that.

 
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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

how many verses are there in the quran? - well that depends what kind of muslim you are.  shia believe the quran is incomplete and falsified, and should have 17000 ayat


If your Shia friends think that Qur'an is incomplete, I say they forfeit the right to be addressed as Muslims.  I think they have a diseased mind  like Christians in need of a redeemer.

Why are they hanging on to a book which they consider as falsified? UK is a free country to believe in anything one wants. I know lot of Shias on the Statesside and the way they think and behave, they could be anything but Muslims.
Qur'an is not like the case of Protestant Bible vs Catholic Bible. You know--
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superme,

I have never totalled up the verses of all the Surahs but I have understood their meanings.

Don't have time to total up but if you count the verses of all the 114 Chapters, please do not include the verses of the Opening or the First Chapter.

It has been incorporated in Qur'aan as the Opening chapter but it stands on it's own and was given to Prophet separately from Qur'aan. It is also written as the "Most oftenly recited verses". That is the most recited daily prayer in the life of any Muslim.

 
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