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    Posted: 09 July 2005 at 8:57pm

Bismillah

Brother ZamanH, your logic in dealing with terrosits attacks and motives behind them is understood but it is very worrying.

Please recall the tortures endured by Bilaal (May Allah be pleased with him), the injustice and insult with which the early companions of the Messenger (peace be upon him) were treated... there are no records of retailiation suicide bombings recorded or terrorist acts preformed, ordered or approved by the Prophet Muhammad (salallahu 'alaihi wa sallam).

However, we read of much patience, much supplication and much hope in Allah's justice and success from Him, which He eventually granted to those who patiently persevered.

 
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Originally posted by kim! kim! wrote:

No. You're right. we should let other countries rot.

Kim...

Yeah let them rot. You are sucking them like a parasite. They are poor because they are beign robbed by you.
An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend.
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No. You're right. we should let other countries rot. If other countries were too weak to defend themselves from Western countries and values and faults in the first place (some time in the past 1,000 years or so),  and if they are too stupid  to feed themsevles and  take care of their people and  too corrupt and pathetic stop their own leaders being satanic dictators, then really - who cares? WHY should we bother? Why should we give a damn?

Let them all rot and die. We can go on with our own ways of life, squeezing the life out of other people in other countries because their labour is cheap and they were never going to live very long anyway...


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Originally posted by Kim! Kim! wrote:

What a shame the towers weren't built in some other poorer country run by ignorance, corruption, bribes and baksheesh - they could have fallen down all on their own. They wouldn't have NEEDED to fly those planes into them at all...


Yes. But let them build their own buildings and let their buildings fall on them. Its none of your business.
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Originally posted by Lameese Lameese wrote:

t says in the Qur'an that in times of war you should not hurt the old, children or people who labor


I did say it was wrong. But I won't condemn the hijackers.

Originally posted by Lameese Lameese wrote:

There were military bases, what about these? Why destroy and kill as many innocent people as you can from countries all over the world.


The hijackers didn't pick up the millitary bases simply because they feared for their life. They knew they are going to die, anyway. I am sorry for the children and the non-americans who were killed. They were not the intended targets. Even if anyone from my own family had been killed I won't have blamed the hijackers. I see their deaths only as accidents.

Originally posted by Lameese Lameese wrote:


It was Cowardly.
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Salam to all,

The people who crashed the planes into the twin towers on 9/11 are certainly terrorists by anyones definition. Imagine you are waiting in the lobby of the twin towers in New York (which was an office, not a military building) and someone walks in, shots the person next to you and walks out. What would you say about him? Would you defend him?

So anyone would say that this is murder, however, if someone kills everyone in the building somehow they are "defending the rights of the poor and oppressed (astafirAllah)" Many Muslims were killed in that disaster, and most of them were illegal immigrants from India and Pakistan living in the slums and barely surviving. So I guess they were killed so that they could be defended. Does that make sense?

In Shariah, if a person is trying to kill you, then you have the right to kill him in self defense. This is what war in Islam is for, defense of the person or Islam only. Killing of innocent civilians is never justified (that is the logic of the oppressors, i.e., collateral damage).

May Allah (s.w.a.) destroy those who value human life so cheaply, and who are (even today) busy killing innocent Muslims in Iraq.

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It says in the Qur'an that in times of war you should not hurt the old, children or people who labor............Let me see, flying 2 planes into 2 towers that had elderly, workers, and children. It was cowardly. There were military bases, what about these? Why destroy and kill as many innocent people as you can from countries all over the world.

It was Cowardly.

 

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Oh yes, a bunch of tyrants sitting evilly in their buildings trying to earn money to feed their kids.

You are SO right! People living ordinary lives are SCUM!

What a shame the towers weren't built in some other poorer country run by ignorance, corruption, bribes and baksheesh - they could have fallen down all on their own. They wouldn't have NEEDED to fly those planes into them at all...

 

Kim...

 
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