Nasakh - Sharia - Fiqh

Dear Lamplighter,

As I said earlier, it is a huge topic and the discussion can continue till the cows comeback home for days.

Let me give you an example by quoting the following verses. I am quoting from memory, hence no number of verse and chapter:

"Don't go near prayers, if you are drunk/intoxicated.", which simply means,"Do not pray, if you are drunk/intoxicated". However, no one can take this as an excuse not to pray and remain drunk.

Later comes the verse (I am interpreting here) telling that men think there is good in alcohols and gambling but they don't realise that there is more evil in them. Then the verse says,"Would you not then forbid?" Some translators write,"Would you not then desist?" or "Would not refrain from these?"

Now comes the Nasikh and the Mansukh:

Does it mean that I can drink and get intoxicated but I can pray later when I am back in my senses? Of course not. But it did last for sometime and stopped when the next verse was given.

The second verse that I quoted is clearly telling us to say,"Yes, Lord, I will not touch it and forbid it."

Here the scholars will say that the 1st, that I quoted above, became Mansookh and the 2nd, that I quoted,  is the Nasikh.

In English, I would simply say that the first was superceded by the second. There is really no abrogation of any verses. Commandments came gradually and Lord Almighty fine-tuned.

Hope this helped. Good questions & Thanks

BMZ

Dear Lamplighter,

From you: " My conclusion for the questions that I ask is:
1) Sharia Legal System is based on Quran as the first source.
2) All moslem believe in the conception of Nasakh.

I need to confirm this because my friend said that the conception of Nasakh is only for Shiah's follower.

LL"

Item 1 from you is correct. Qur'aan is the first source.

Item 2: Not all Muslims believe in the conception of Nasakh. Qur'ann's topic of Naskh is clearly the abrogation of all past Scriptures.

Both the Shias and Sunnis have this separate topic of Nasikh wa Mansookh, which has nothing to do with the Nasakh of past Scriptures by Qur'aan.

In order to justify their own interpretations, the Shias claim that a certain verse has not been abrogated, while some Sunnis claim that the verse had been abrogated and was replaced by verse so and so and vice versa. This kind of Nasakh is purely based on the opinions of scholars from both sides. It has become a habit for both of them to make arguments and counter-arguments.

I would not like to go into this huge topic as the exchanges would be fruitless. The most important point is that if any verse in Qur'aan was really Nasakh, it would not have been there! People are debating on and discussing  verses which ARE still there in Qur'aan for more than 1400 plus years.

Hope this helped.

BMZ

Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857:

Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:

That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."

*********

Volume 3, Book 49, Number 870:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "There is a Sadaqa to be given for every joint of the human body; and for every day on which the sun rises there is a reward of a Sadaqa (i.e. charitable gift) for the one who establishes justice among people."

*********

Salam Alaikoam Peace be with you

Yes I go on about the Inter Faith Call to an Education, Counseling and Consultation Jihad (Jihad means struggle and the first most important level is the level of self, ie learning to be the best person you can be as you submit your will to Allah, God, the Creator)

I am well aware of the texts of the Quran and the Hadeath of the Prophet PBUH and considering the state of the world I believe some of the laws need revision and it is not unIslamic to say so.  

In the call for this Inter Faith ECC Jihad we will sort into groups sorted out and learn the skills I have mentioned many times before and thus help assist people with becoming better people inshallah.  This will fullfill Surah 9, 1-8 and also begin to create a Most Great Peace starting at the roots.

Inshallah if you or anyone has anger management problems, relationship problems , parenting problems, stress or frustration problems, budgetting problems, career problems then you can join in this great sorting out on your own and work at your own pace to learn the skills you need to give everyone including yourself the grace and dignity they/we deserve.

You cannot ignor 10 Billion plus counting Muslims all expressing Islam in their way ie expressing their submission to Allah, God , the Creator I am just hoping we can encourage them there is hope in Islam and that we all do count and we can build a world worth living in.  A world where there is peace from the roots up inshallah.

Salam

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

Yusuf Ali:

[099:001]  When the earth is shaken to her (utmost) convulsion,

[099:002]  And the earth throws up her burdens (from within),

[099:003]  And man cries (distressed): 'What is the matter with her?'-

[099:004]  On that Day will she declare her tidings:

[099:005]  For that thy Lord will have given her inspiration.

[099:006]  On that Day will men proceed in companies sorted out, to be shown the deeds that they (had done).

[099:007]  Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!

[099:008]  And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.

Alaikoam Salam

As far as I know technicallly there are some 137 sects of Islam, however if you believe as I do you also add into this the Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Siek and other religions into these sects as they are all expressions of the evolution of Islam and even those with no apperent reiligion still submit to the will of Allah in degrees making them Muslims too.

As for your question all is in the hands of Allah He guides whom He will to the right path though in todays world we need a little more effort in finding what the right path is for each of us.  The path I or you choose may not be right or suit another.  Of course everyone is free to choose as they will however a little help with an Inter Faith Call to an Education, Counseling and Consultation Jihad of which the most important level is the level of learning to be the best person we can be and inspire others to do so also.

I guess what I am trying to explain is that there are many ways to be a Muslim and submit to the will of Allah and there are many ways to express our Islam.

As for twins with unique finger prints that of course is in the hands of Allah.

We are free to explore what Islam means to us and we are free to express our Islam in our way.

There is hope sister and brothers and that hope begins with Islam, however some laws do need amending to raise us from the state of animals to a high station that of Gaurdian and Messenger not slayer or torturer that is not of Allah nor does it show His mercy it may have been acceptable 1500 to a 100 years ago but it is not acceptable in this day and age we can resolve our challenges without violence or abusing someone.

PS this is an Inter Faith Forum for everyone to express themselves and in my opinion examples of their Islam whether they be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Seik etc all come under the Umbrella of Islam that does not mean that they will express their Islam the same way you do.

We have to accept everyone has a freedom and right to express their Islam in their way and inshallah may it be a good way and may we all be inspired to be good people and set aside anger and vengence for Peace and Prosperity for one and all thus turning us from a blood thirsty, blood letting society into one with grace and dignity for all, a society where people will not want to commit a crime because they have better skills to do more productive things with their time and thus express their Islam in a positive and caring manner inshallah may it be so..

Truth is all religions have their limitations otherwise by now one would think thwe world would be far better than it is, however at the same time yes some revision is needed.

By saying that religion needs revision does not neglect the importance it had, has in the world it just means that some laws need to be rewritten so that more people are likely to abide by them and if these laws are preventive and address the issues at the roots or foundations then progress will be made, laws that promote further abuse, torture or exicutions is not going to help us progress.

My opinion of course.

Salam

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi