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    Posted: 21 September 2006 at 8:59am

After some thought I have decided to close this thread. My reasons are justified as follows:

1) By trying to link Jospeh Smith and Prophet Muhammad (saw), the followers of each are now in a position to either ignore, or prove the claims of their respective figures, leading the way to strife between the two groups. The author, no doubt, knows this, and will be long gone while the wounds of such a strife will still be felt in this community. I question the integrity of author of such desired discord.

2) The questions, which are almost childlike in nature, keep linking the two men together, making it a matter of now having to defend both men, or cutting one down while defending the other. This forum is about dialogue, understanding, and clean debate. The nature of this thread and the direction it is going is bad in intention and against the nature of this forum.

3) The questions have begun to take on a different course, irrelevant to the point of the thread. I also find that the off topic questions are directly from the missionary, polemical handbook.

4) Therefore I will close this topic, and allow for the thread of Joseph Smith sperately from Prophet Muhammad (saw) so that if one wants to discuss the prophethood of either, they are welcome.

5) Do to the fact that we have different people here from different faiths, Islamcity in the traditonal spirit of Islam, extends the rights and protection to other beliefs here, and will not allow the bashing or bullying of other faiths or figure heads of other faiths. Therefore, if a thread about Joseph Smith is started, and if it goes no where, I will not allow it to be a place for non-Mormons to go and bash. The first sign of the dialogue going south (as a moderator I reserve the right to determine this), I will close it down and edit it if need be.

For anyone wanting to discuss these two indivudals in terms of their life or prophethood, I have no problem if someone starts a thread on them individually.

There is a section on Prophets in this forum also.

I hope this helps, and if anyone has any comments, you may use the comment section or send me a personal message.

If I have made an error in the forum rules, then admin or the other mods will let me know, and I apologize.

Kindest Regards



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Points: 264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2006 at 8:01pm

"Secondly as to the Miracles of Joseph Smith and Muhammed.  Muhammed split the moon and Joseph healed the sick.  There are also miracles of him having known the names of men before he ever met them."

Where can I find information about these miracles?
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In the future, please reference the site you copied and paste from (I know the site). Also, take a look at the rule at the top of interfaith section about copying and pasting lists. "Dumping" is not allowed. You may use the points in your discussion, but we are not allowed to just dump lists. It takes away from discussion and dialogue, which is why you are here, yes? So please feel free to discuss the points.

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Points: 2555 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2006 at 7:44pm
Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

Thank you for the information.  I appreciate the work that went into your post.

I guess the biggest difference is:

"Mormons do not believe an end to the Prophets" where Islam says  Muhammad is the last prophet and Revelation 22:18-19 has Jesus saying not to add or take away from the scriptures!

First off, Revelations was written by John the Revelator (also considered John the Beloved by some groups) long after Jesus had passed on.  The estimated time of the Book of Revelations according to http://www.earlychristianwritings.com is about 90-95 CE, that is about 60 years after the death of Christ.  Secondly, Jesus is talking about Revelations specifially.  There is also a passage in the Old Testament that is similar about adding to the scriptures and the dire consequences.  These are not talking about new scriptures but altering/adding to the existing scriptures.  Remember, at the time of the Book of Revelations there was no such thing as an Old Testament or a New Testament.  Those were not created until 325 CE.  Therefore when he says Book here, you cannot read the Bible, for there are many books written at this time and have yet to be compiled into a collection bound together.

Quote 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

  19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 

Secondly as to the Miracles of Joseph Smith and Muhammed.  Muhammed split the moon and Joseph healed the sick.  There are also miracles of him having known the names of men before he ever met them.

 

 
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Points: 264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2006 at 7:23pm

Off topic of thread. After today, if you continue this, you will be given a warning. If you want to discuss the Quran, then start a thread about the Quran.

Thanks



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Points: 264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2006 at 7:22pm

Material off the topic of thread. Please refrain from this.



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