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    Posted: 11 December 2006 at 10:38am

Hi Sarita,

There is nothing at all unusual being confused by the different messages that you have heard or read. One thing that is that you want to use you mind. Allah gave us this mind to use. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, in fact Allah told us to. ( I do not have the verse readily available.)

Thisis a good place to ask questions. And keep in mind that that answers are in the Quran as you read them. People are only people and make mistakes or are corrupt. So try less to be influenced by people as you do by the Quran. In the end, we will all die, alone. We will face Allah alone. We answer for ourselves and our actions.  Do what you feel and know is right. NOT what other people do or say. There are good and healthy people and there are bad and unhealthy too.

Remember, only Allah knows what is in your heart and mind. Stay connected to that.

 

 

When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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I read with interest the post from Sarita, however I was disappointed with all the back-biting and he said this and he said that.  Is there a peaceful way to discuss Islam without all the bashing? There is enough of that in the world as it is.  for people like me who really want to learn it is hard to wade through these forums and get what i need to make intelligent decisions.  

I would like to relate my story about how i became interested in Islam.  I work in a retail store and one two muslims came in looking for beads to for a prayer (I'm at a loss for the corrected word) chain.  In talking with them I asked some questions about can a non-believer use a prayer chain.  I informed them I was looking for ways to enhance my spirituality and they told me of the sufis and the 99 names of allaah. during the discussion my eyes welled up with tears and I was overcome with a strong feeling of peace and love. thus began my quest to learn more abour Sufi and then Islam. i have a Quiran and have begun to read it.  So if i can have some pertinent feedback without the back biting I would appreciated it.

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Hi Sarita, :)

May God Guides me to speak truth & right. Yes, I had felt that warmth too, it's like the heart is spilling with light. It's beautiful. :) About God, muslim believe in the One God, Most High from everything He creates. We say the shahadah, "there is no God but Allah & Muhammad is His messenger". Maybe you can read surah Al-Ikhlas (sincerity). It is very simple, yet it's value is 1/3 of the Quran. & Amah has posted it for you, thanks Amah. :)

Additionally, Quran mentions Jesus being a human. Just like us - only he is a messenger, a sign to the Children of Israel.

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

019:035 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

043:059-60 He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth.

003:079-80 It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's"; on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! Would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (to Allah in Islam)?

005:116 And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


If you like to read, maybe this Jesus story from the Quran can help?
May God Guides us all, amen. Correct me if I'm mistaken, somehow.  :)


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Originally posted by harrdnut harrdnut wrote:

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

Since Islam is total submission to the god of the Quran, may I ask you and other Muslims like ou why you asll are NOT prctiing what prophet Mohammad preached?

Pl. tell me why you are not FIGHTING against non-Muslims for Allah?

Here are 2 ayats that prove my point:

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

 

[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah

 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

Dear Harddnut,

Please look at some of these verses from the Bible:

Leviticus 25:44 (New International Version)

" 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Samuel

 

 1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

 

Exodus 15

 

3 The LORD is a warrior; 
   the LORD is his name

 

Numbers 31

7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba�the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]

 

Luke 19:22-27 

 

26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them�bring them here and kill them in front of me

 

 

Mark 7:10 (New International Version)

10For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,'[a] and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[b]

 

Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (New International Version)

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

Harddnut, a question for you: Does the Bible really preach and condone violence, or are the above verses taken out of contexts? Would you like some more examples of how you come across with your questions? 

 

Care to find out the context within which the Quranic ayats you quoted were written?

Peace!

 

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Originally posted by Andalus Andalus wrote:

Originally posted by harrdnut harrdnut wrote:

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

Since Islam is total submission to the god of the Quran, may I ask you and other Muslims like ou why you asll are NOT prctiing what prophet Mohammad preached?

Pl. tell me why you are not FIGHTING against non-Muslims for Allah?

Here are 2 ayats that prove my point:

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

 

[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah

 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

 

The verses have a context and setting. It would be as if I asked a Christian why jesus still does not want Jews to kill babies in the middle east, as he and his father and the holy ghost had commanded in the Hebrew Scriptures in the past.

Hope this helps.

 

Dear harddnut: Ever care to find out about the context and setting?

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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

Maryah - You wrote: "And what political objectives wouldl you say Islam has?" Many Muslims throughout the world have many different political objectives. For instance, Hezbollah and Iranian leaders believe it is an Islamic Religious Duty to destroy Israel.

Other leaders are less war-like in their objectives, but ohters have even wider goals. Accordingly, "Redneck" should find out what political goals her particular Islamic mentors support, and why. Then decide whether or not she agrees or should seek those with other objectives.

Peace: 

Yes and these are cultural and Nationalist goals, not Islamic.

It amazed me how people judge something they know little of.

 

This is an ayat, or verse, discussed in our last kutbah, or Friday service, by our Imam:

 33:35 For muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. - English

Nowhere in that verse does it discuss bombing others, killing others, or nationalist concerns. Do you realize how many people have died or have been misplaced so that Israel may exist? That is the cause of the anger. If someone marched into your house and told you you needed to leave because God said their ancestors owned the house and they want it back, wouldn't you be angered? I invite you to imagine yourself and walk a few miles in the shoes of the dispossessed  before you judge others. I am not saying it is right to strike back but I can understand the feelings others may endure.

I am an American citizen that spent the first 15 years of her life living abroad and I can tell you, America isn't always sweet smelling outside of the box. I suggest you take a trip outside of Utopia at some time and to stop and smell the flowers and the thorns.

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Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

Abuzaid:

There are more verses in the Bible that advocate punishment for the sins of others, than there are against. Here is an example:

Exodus 20:5 and Deuteronomy 5:9 both say: I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation

  For the sake of argument even if we agree that, this is what's revealed by God.

Than its talking only about fourth generation and not fifth and later.

secondly, this verse is only talking about punishment and not death

third, if any christian present this verse againt what I presented, it only proves contradiction in bible, which also disprove concept of original sin.

actually problem is not old testament itself, its actually a desire of christians to believe what has been belived for years by their forfathers. They believe something and try to find its proof from bible, if they get something against their belief, they ignore it and if they feel something in the favour of their belief they take it.

However, I know they can present much more than what you have pointed out. But, almost everything can be refuted, finally its their desire to believe what they believe.

Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

It is truly hard for many Christians to come to terms with the contradictions in their Book,
Yes its really hard
Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

and I pray that Sarita can discover and learn with the guidance of Allah, al-Rashid.
  Ameen

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