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amah
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Posted: 12 December 2006 at 10:30am |
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Dear Hanan, let ejdavid dream on....and doesn't it happen that those who wish ill for others , ill luck comes to them? wassalaam. |
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Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45) |
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Sign*Reader
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Bro Jamal excuse me for adding my 2 cents
Would you like more Americans killed? As matter of fact the turn coats should be counted as Americans and not Muslims.
In whose service and interest? the Yanks, the Zionist; the Russkies and 99 other arm exporting countries enjoying the profits from the slug fest of st**idots. >>>>> Iraq Iran War American Interest
Pleeeeese don't make up lies as you get carried away in polemics about the OFFP; you need to get your facts straight instead of being a. the FACTS about OFFP FACTS ABOUT LOOTING Edited by Sign*Reader |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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ejdavid
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Jamal
Precisely. I used the Ann Coulter column to illustrate this. Specifically, some Muslims use these sorts of passages to promote violent political agendas. Accordingly, Coulter has a valid point that the passages can do just that. But not one Muslim here even seemed to realize that is what is going on. And then there is Hannan who is worried Westerners plan genocide against ME Muslims. However, Iraqi Muslims killed more Muslims in the last month then they have killed Americans in the last five years. In the past the Iran/Iraq war killed, I believe, millions of Muslims, and Saydamns looting of the UN food for oil program killed, according to Muslims who blame the US, 1.5 million Muslim children. Finally, a nuclear exchange in the ME upon Muslims will not come because the West wants it. It will come, if it comes, because of Iranian preparations for a nuclear attack on Israel, and the resultant retaliatory carnage such an exchage would entail. Yet I hear little discussion that an Iranian attack on Israel would be bad for Muslims. All very peculiar. Edited by ejdavid |
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hat2010
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(copied from MSA-USC website)
"MSA-USC Hadith Database Warning (especially for Muslims) There are many early hadith scholars and teachers to whom we are indebted for introducing the critical science of collecting and evaluating ahadeeth. These teachers each collected many different ahadeeth. They did not allow students to quote from their collections until the students had actually come to them and learnt from them directly. Today, the situation is different. The collections of ahadeeth have for the most part stabilized, and with the advent of the printing press, the collections are easily mass-produced. There is a blessing in all this of course, but there is a real danger that Muslims will fall under the impression that owning a book or having a database is equivalent to being a scholar of ahadeeth. This is a great fallacy. Therefore, we would like to warn you that this database is merely a tool, and not a substitute for learning, much less scholarship in Islam." |
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Hanan
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Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided Edited by Hanan |
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Servetus
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EJDavid,
I recognize that. You may either demote or expel me. I opted, quite deliberately, to address secondary issues related to your post.
I, being non-Muslim, do not usually make it a point to give Islamic dawah, especially to those who seem hostile at best. But I do obviously address other issues. In his above posts I think Andalus, rather generously, made it perfectly clear that, if you want to discuss this and related ahadith, you should start another topic, on a better footing, and leave Ann Coulter and other anti-Islamic polemicists in Tijuana, where they belong.
But, as we are (almost) discussing issues related to prophecy, it seems to me that it does, at least by way of correlation. For the remainder of this discussion, I leave you in the capable care of the resident Muslims. I won�t be too surprised, though, nor will I fault them, if they consistently refuse to bite your bait and thereby fail your tests. Over and out ... Serv Edited by Servetus |
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ejdavid
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Andalus, Serv, Hanna et. al
My original post was a simple test that was failed by everyone who responded. Specifically, not one person originally responded with any discussion at all of the hadith in question. To this day Hannan has offered little more then juvenile "your mother wears combat boots" type responses. Does she actually believe an Coulter's 'Adams Apple' is relevant to Islamic Hadith? Further, my discussion has nothing to do with Jewish Scripture and Israeli behavior to the Palestinians. And I doubt anyone on this thread is even remotely aware of my harsh discussions eslewhere regarding the Talmud, among other Jewish religious documentations. However, this fact remains: Arab and Jewish Semites are intractibly hostile to one another. I do not believe this will ever change. Accordingly, any changes in the political landscape will be determined on the military battlefield, as has generally been the case between Semites of all types, in all times and places, with a brief exception during The Prophets Day. As I have noted elsewhere, I believe a 'small' nuclear war between peoples in the ME would provide a temporary respite from the world's endemic Semite Problem. |
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Andalus
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I would say that you have a few obstacles that would prevent you from being a scholar. 1) Your critical thinking skills are lacking a great deal 2) your self assumed scholarly ability still did not conjure up an actual explanation. 3) if you have a real issue to discuss, then simply state your ideas instead of presenting a cheap site with an impression of a false intention of wanting to learn. 4) the hadith is a prophecy that will take place during a time of war between Jews and Muslims.
Israelis use the Hebrew Scriptures to justify the acts of crime they have perpetuated on the reigonal Arabs, including the destruction of many Arab villages that had existed for centuries before racist Christians gave their land away to racist white Jewish zionists. I do not hear or read how you or Ann coutler moans about that? You want to complain that a group of brutalized people who have been kicked around for nearly 50 years and have nearly nothing but poverty, dirt, and hunger, misuses a hadith against a group of racists who are responsible for their misery?
I knew what the meaning and context was. It is obvious that you, even after your scholarly, "cursory" research of 90 seconds still remains ignorant. Keep in mind I am not here to respond to Ann Coulter. She has absolutely no credibility. If you want to know about a Hadith, for a particualr reason, then I am sure you will find many who will discuss it. If you want to find the answer to something written by an intellectually bankrupt neocon, then you are on your own, as it would be a waste of time.
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