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    Posted: 12 December 2006 at 10:30am
Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

ejdavid wrote: As I have noted elsewhere, I believe a 'small' nuclear war between peoples in the ME would provide a temporary respite from the world's endemic Semite Problem.

I understand the above sentence as a message to all who hate and wish death upon Muslims, to take up arms, nuclear arms if possible, and to destroy and kill Muslims in the Middle East. I am deeply offended by this statement and the unrelenting hatred for Muslims, which manifested itself in the author's statement.

Dear Hanan, let ejdavid dream on....and doesn't it happen that those who wish ill for others , ill luck comes to them?

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Bro Jamal excuse me for adding my 2 cents

Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

>>> However, Iraqi Muslims killed more Muslims in the last month then they have killed Americans in the last five years.


Would you like more Americans killed? As matter of fact the turn coats should be counted as Americans and not Muslims.

Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

In the past the Iran/Iraq war killed, I believe, millions of Muslims,

In whose service and interest? the Yanks, the Zionist; the Russkies and 99 other arm exporting countries enjoying the profits from the slug fest of st**idots. >>>>>
Iraq Iran War American Interest
 
Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

and Saydamns looting of the UN food for oil program killed, according to Muslims who blame the US, 1.5 million Muslim children.

Pleeeeese don't make up lies as you get carried away in polemics about the OFFP; you need to get your facts  straight instead of being a.
the FACTS about OFFP

FACTS ABOUT LOOTING




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Jamal

Precisely. I used the Ann Coulter column to illustrate this. Specifically, some Muslims use these sorts of passages to promote violent political agendas. Accordingly, Coulter has a valid point that the passages can do just that. But not one Muslim here even seemed to realize that is what is going on.

And then there is Hannan who is worried Westerners plan genocide against ME Muslims. However, Iraqi Muslims killed more Muslims in the last month then they have killed Americans in the last five years. In the past the Iran/Iraq war killed, I believe, millions of Muslims, and Saydamns looting of the UN food for oil program killed, according to Muslims who blame the US, 1.5 million Muslim children.

Finally, a nuclear exchange in the ME upon Muslims will not come because the West wants it. It will come, if it comes, because of Iranian preparations for a nuclear attack on Israel, and the resultant retaliatory carnage such an exchage would entail. Yet I hear little discussion that an Iranian attack on Israel would be bad for Muslims.

All very peculiar.

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(copied from MSA-USC website)

"MSA-USC Hadith Database
Warning (especially for Muslims)

There are many early hadith scholars and teachers to whom we are
indebted for introducing the critical science of collecting and evaluating
ahadeeth. These teachers each collected many different ahadeeth. They
did not allow students to quote from their collections until the students
had actually come to them and learnt from them directly.

Today, the situation is different. The collections of ahadeeth have for the
most part stabilized, and with the advent of the printing press, the
collections are easily mass-produced. There is a blessing in all this of
course, but there is a real danger that Muslims will fall under the
impression that owning a book or having a database is equivalent to
being a scholar of ahadeeth. This is a great fallacy. Therefore, we would
like to warn you that this database is merely a tool, and not a substitute
for learning, much less scholarship in Islam."

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Servetus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2006 at 12:50pm

EJDavid,

 

You wrote:
My original post was a simple test that was failed by everyone who responded.

 

I recognize that.  You may either demote or expel me.  I opted, quite deliberately, to address secondary issues related to your post. 

 

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Specifically, not one person originally responded with any discussion at all of the hadith in question.

 

I, being non-Muslim, do not usually make it a point to give Islamic dawah, especially to those who seem hostile at best.  But I do obviously address other issues.  In his above posts I think Andalus, rather generously, made it perfectly clear that, if you want to discuss this and related ahadith, you should start another topic, on a better footing, and leave Ann Coulter and other anti-Islamic polemicists in Tijuana, where they belong. 

 

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Further, my discussion has nothing to do with Jewish Scripture and Israeli behavior to the Palestinians.

 

But, as we are (almost) discussing issues related to prophecy, it seems to me that it does, at least by way of correlation. 

 

For the remainder of this discussion, I leave you in the capable care of the resident Muslims.  I won�t be too surprised, though, nor will I fault them, if they consistently refuse to bite your bait and thereby fail your tests.

 

Over and out ...

 

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Andalus, Serv, Hanna et. al

My original post was a simple test that was failed by everyone who responded. Specifically, not one person originally responded with any discussion at all of the hadith in question. To this day Hannan has offered little more then juvenile "your mother wears combat boots" type responses. Does she actually believe an Coulter's 'Adams Apple' is relevant to Islamic Hadith?

Further, my discussion has nothing to do with Jewish Scripture and Israeli behavior to the Palestinians. And I doubt anyone on this thread is even remotely aware of my harsh discussions eslewhere regarding the Talmud, among other Jewish religious documentations.

However, this fact remains: Arab and Jewish Semites are intractibly hostile to one another. I do not believe this will ever change. Accordingly, any changes in the political landscape will be determined on the military battlefield, as has generally been the case between Semites of all types, in all times and places, with a brief exception during The Prophets Day.

As I have noted elsewhere, I believe a 'small' nuclear war between peoples in the ME would provide a temporary respite from the world's endemic Semite Problem.
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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

Hannan, Andalus, Servitus: I am a better Muslim scholar then all three of you combined. It took me about 90 seconds to answer my own question with google regarding Muslim no. 6985 ["... The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews..."]

URL for SaB (2005) [http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/07/dialogue_with_a_saudi_muslim_6.html]

"We interpret these sayings in the light of Islamic teachings about what the Qur'an refers to as 'People of the Book,' i.e., Jews and Christians. Islam never advocated their indiscriminate killing; in fact, Islam specifically permits Muslims to eat their food and marry their women. (Qur'an, 5:5) ... Those ahadith quoted above are generally understood to be about particular, specific Jews who commit acts of aggression against Muslims."

I would say that you have a few obstacles that would prevent you from being a scholar. 1) Your critical thinking skills are lacking a great deal 2) your self assumed scholarly ability still did not conjure up an actual explanation. 3) if you have a real issue to discuss, then simply state your ideas instead of presenting a cheap site with an impression of a false intention of wanting to learn. 4) the hadith is a prophecy that will take place during a time of war between Jews and Muslims.

 

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The Palestinian Authority and many other Muslims use these hadith to incite violence against Israel and Jews in general.

Israelis use the Hebrew Scriptures to justify the acts of crime they have perpetuated on the reigonal Arabs, including the destruction of many Arab villages that had existed for centuries before racist Christians gave their land away to racist white Jewish zionists. I do not hear or read how you or Ann coutler moans about that?

You want to complain that a group of brutalized people who have been kicked around for nearly 50 years and have nearly nothing but poverty, dirt, and hunger, misuses a hadith against a group of racists who are responsible for their misery?

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 Accordingly, Ann Coulter is entirely justified in citing them as evidence of Muslim intolerance. And the three of you seem unaware of the true meaning of these verses and jabber incoherently.

 

I knew what the meaning and context was. It is obvious that you, even after your scholarly, "cursory" research of 90 seconds still remains ignorant. Keep in mind I am not here to respond to Ann Coulter. She has absolutely no credibility.

If you want to know about a Hadith, for a particualr reason, then I am sure you will find many who will discuss it. If you want to find the answer to something written by an intellectually bankrupt neocon, then you are on your own, as it would be a waste of time.

 

 

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