Jews & Islam; Sabbath

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     This would be very beautiful, but the word in Hebrew is spelled with a yud, which means it must mean songs.  If the yud were missing, then it would mean "The respectful ones".  And this would be a perfect link to what you are saying.

     Thus I think that Muhammad, praise be unto him, used the word Hasher, (sounds similar), meaning "The respectful", as he was respectful of Allah, the most merciful.  Also, in Arabic, the term "bashir", which sounds similar to "hashir", means "the announcer", as in "The prophet".   So, I think there was some confusion which I hope this clears up.

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Abbas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 07 July 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Abbas Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Jews & Islam; Sabbath Posted: 07 July 2009 at 6:55pm
	السلام عليكم This would be very beautiful, but the word in Hebrew is spelled with a yud, which means it must mean songs. If the yud were missing, then it would mean "The respectful ones". And this would be a perfect link to what you are saying. Thus I think that Muhammad, praise be unto him, used the word Hasher, (sounds similar), meaning "The respectful", as he was respectful of Allah, the most merciful. Also, in Arabic, the term "bashir", which sounds similar to "hashir", means "the announcer", as in "The prophet". So, I think there was some confusion which I hope this clears up.

on1on5 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 06 January 2007 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 72	Post Options Post Reply Quote on1on5 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 March 2007 at 11:05am
	Friday is the day which involves a prayer made all together. This is an important social affair. But verses about friday doesn't declare it as a resting day. As stated in the surah with the same name, after the prayer Muslims should go round to seek for their share. That can be taken as "back to work" I know that Friday is an official "off day" in some muslim countries and don't want to go beyond my limits of knowledge. Of course Allah knows best. Surah 9 verse 30 drives attention to another point about Jews. That is their attribution of a son to Allah as some of the Christians did. This is contrary to the acceptance of "one and only God" in Islam as is the "selected nation" paradigm. Some of the references I read about the subject say that Jews were expecting a prophet but from their nation. That is why they denied Mohammad (sav). Stories of Moses (as), and David (as) occupy a considerable place in Koran and give idea about Jewish attitude against the prophets. As we all believe Allah knows best.

Sawtul Khilafah Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2006 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 623	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sawtul Khilafah Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 March 2007 at 3:44pm
	Here's a thread all about "song of songs" and other mentions of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6771& ;PN=1

Arab Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Arab Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 March 2007 at 8:59am
	And Mauri the song of songs in Hebrew is called Shir Hashirim. Shir is Song, of Hashirim can either be a name or the meaning of the words, songs. If its a name its Hashir since im is a plural of respect. Who is Hashir? Prophet Mohammed p.b.u.h said: "I am Hashir, Ahmad, the prophet of Mercy and the prophet of repentance". Edited by Arab

Arab Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Arab Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 March 2007 at 8:56am
	http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/jewishs abbath-islamsabbath.htm This is a very nice link explaining Sabbath in Islam and judaism, the site is made by a former Rabbi who became Muslim al hamdulilah. Edited by Arab

Mauri Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 27 August 2006 Status: Offline Points: 143	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mauri Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:32pm
	Thank you, Arab. That looks interesting.

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	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum jazak allah khair for that Br arab.
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

Arab Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2006 Location: Kuwait Status: Offline Points: 256	Post Options Post Reply Quote Arab Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:12pm
	song of songs chapter 5 verse 5 says machamadim zehdoodi yishrayee baina jarusalem. machamad-im. im is aplural of respect, we are left with machamad. when translating from hebrew to arabic the ch becomes the arabic h. mahamad. in english the verse says and he is altogether lovely instead of he is Machamad or mahamad. The song of songs in hebrew is called shir hashirim. The song of songs, or the song of Hashir. Who is Hashir? Prophet Mohammed said that one of his names was Hashir. Let's see what classical Jewish scholars had to say about this book (song of songs/shir hashirim): "The whole world is not worth the day on which the Song of Songs was given to Israel; for all the writings are holy, but the Song of Songs is the holiest of the holy." [Rabbi Akiva (died AD 135), Tractate of Yaddayim (3:5), Mishna] "...and the book itself as an allegory depicting in great detail the experiences of the nation in its relations with its God from the Exodus down to THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH AND THE BUILDING OF THE THIRD TEMPLE. This in general is also the interpretation of the Midrash Rabbah and such famous scholars as Saadia ben Joseph, Rashi, and Ibn Ezra, although they differ considerably among themselves in details." [The Interpreter's Bible Encyclopedia] In another book of the Old Testament, Haggai, we read: Haggai 2:7 "And I will shake all nations, AND THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS SHALL COME: and I will fill this house with glory saith the Lord of hosts." In place of "desire of all nations", the Hebrew text uses one single word: "CHMD" which is pronouncable as "ACHMAD" (which is "AHMAD" in Arabic). Thus, the translation would be, "And I will shake all nations, AND AHMAD SHALL COME: and I will fill this house with glory saith the Lord of hosts."