Concept of Absolute-Hinduism

Salam to: Bharatiya

I am enjoying your conversation, however I feel there is deep seated sense of distrust in your views when analysing muslims ( i may be in correct but your writing style reflects this), the way you express your feelings. Do you think that since you have been reading people like Francios Gautier since your childhodd or other pro-Indian Indologist from Holland, beligium and and Germany or newly rewrittehn historical work on India, to out do the British and Muslims colonial rule, has moulded your thinking to a certain extent since your childhood. Just like some muslims view all westerns as Crusaders since the onslaught in 1015AD in Jeruselam until the present day.

In your mind there is a strong sense of viewing Islam or muslims from one side of a prism.

I have sympathy with you  because at at times muslims also take one sided views of others without getting out of their own mindset. But dont you think on the contrary people like you and me can fall into the same trap.

The muslims spreading like virus analogy is not an issue for me, if you we view this from a social sciences perspective, when adopting  'conflict approach' to islam and muslims.

looking forward to for some interseting comments from you.

Regards

Fuhad

 

I know about it Balquees...  And not all Muslims are bad.  There are as many good Muslims as there are bad Muslims in India.

Let me tell you one thing Balquees, don't be offended by it.  Its just my feeling.

I feel that Muslims are like virus.  They migrate to a place(many a times invade), multiply, and when their population becomes sizeable, they  either make it an Islamic Republic or ask for separation from the mainland.  This is not out of my hatred towards Muslims or anything.  I can substantiate my claim.

For example, division of Bharat into Pakistan and India(and they even want Kashmir), Xinjiang in China, Mindanao in Philippines, Chechnya in Russia etc.

My hatred comes from such Muslim mindset.  Thats the reason I hate some Indian Muslims, they make holes in the very plate they eat.

Peace and Love.

I think you should tell this to the Indian Historians.  But I think they will not listen to an ISI agent like you.

That is funny.  ISI agents are atleast better than RSS guys.

Assalaamu alaikum ya muslimeen.

Greetings and good day to all.

Surely, I wish that such discussions would not take the trend towards such hard feelings between the participants. This is only one small example of why out there in the real world and face to face, there is so much sadness and intolerance and oppression and eventually torture and/or killing of one another.

We are all different, have our different backgrounds, and our different beliefs...and we should try to understand one another to better live side by side.

As a reminder for muslims participating in inter-religious debates and discussions...it is highly important to keep tolerant of those whose beliefs differ from you, and remember not to insult the other's belief. We have been warned of this in the Quran, actually. Remember that human nature is kind of like a mirror. You most generally receive back what you have already dished out to others.

Now...for the questions that Bharatiya has set forth...will try to answer them.

1. As regarding the rights of men and women...could you please quote from where you are claiming that the Quran does not give equal rights to women? Remember that God has created man and woman in their own rite of nature. Each one different biologically and physically. Yet they are equally responsible in the spiritual nature to God. And they receive equal treatment in the judgement.

2. The divisions that have evolved within Islam is the fault of the individual persons (in collection). It is not of the essence of Islam to have such divisions. In fact, this is something that we are also warned against in the Quran: dividing into sects. That does not reflect on Islam to deem it imperfect. Rather, it is reflection on the imperfection of humans to implement Islam properly. Islam and muslims are 2 different entities. Please do not confuse the 2. Islam is perfect. Whereas muslims themselves are far from perfect. Judge Islam by it's source, not it's adherants.

3. As concerns Bangaladeshis, I have never heard of this reference or inference that they have been considered not real muslims. Perhaps this is something of a local (Indian/Pakistani/Bagali/Kashmiri,etc.) misinterpretation and misunderstanding of true Islamic teachings. I mean, Islam teaches us (as it is stated in the Quran)...that one is not to be judged upon his/her merits other than what is in his/her heart. In other words, it is the extense of pious belief that renders one a true muslim. Not their race, country of origin, sex, age, whatever. None of that matters. What matters is what is in the heart-the extent of the sincerity and piety. And this, my friends, is in full knowledge to God. It cannot be hidden from Him.

Bharatiya: I can sense that you come from a region where there is much strife and you or those around you have suffered much at the hands of oppressing muslims. This is terribly sad, for it leaves with one a terrible impression and misunderstanding of Islam.

And the sad state of the Indian region is that it is a rising spiral type of situation of violence and hatred and intolerance between the muslims and others (mainly hindus, I believe)...to the extent that it is difficult to truly know anymore who started what.

As the hindus and other non-muslims may have suffered greatly from the muslims, so the muslims also have suffered greatly from the non-muslims. Like I said...a rising spiral.

If only each of the groups could begin to understand one another, perhaps an atmosphere of tolerance can begin to grow.

My friend, Islam is truly beautiful and calls for the utmost of tolerance. Something which, I am afraid, is becoming even less and less in this day and age.

Much as I am sure that you will also stress with us that hinduism is also beautiful. Then...why not let us each show the beautiful side to one another?

But I hope that with forums such as this one, we can achieve some sense of tolerance and understanding between us all, so that we may all live in peace with one another.

balqees.