Social consequences of a religion?

Sign*Reader wrote: I can�t tell what country you dwell in to be so cynical about the process!

I've lived in so many countries in the meanwhile, that I really don't know what country to call home. I might move again, depending on the contract situation.

Sign*Reader wrote: The super market would not survive if the meat they sold was bad and caused food poisoning, the owners will be looking at the law suit and they will be taken to the cleaners.

That really depends on who is involved. If it turns out that this big corporation's pesticide, that you don't know the farmers are using, turns out to give you cancer, you may find the government helpful in covering up on their side, instead of helping you out.

I am inclined to trust food more, when I know that the farmers eat it themselves, because most of the food, they grow for themselves, and they're only selling their surplus to others. I seriously distrust the "agribusiness".

Sign*Reader wrote: The schools are also demography based and paid for the home owner tax base, You need to be explicit what are saying, may be true where you live

I revert to thinking that is better that the parents pay the school directly, even though that means that some parents may struggle to pay.

In most countries, the government collects tax (at gunpoint) and pays the schools out of these taxes. As a result, parents have little say.

So, if the government decides to mandatorily gender-mix the schools, you end up sending your daughters to a mixed school, regardless of whether you like it or not. In my impression, these mixed schools will eventually and invariably get out of hand, as should be expected.

Children learn quite a few wrong things there, and especially, it degenerates in the wrong kind of popularity contest, where school results are less important than doing in well in the wrong dynamics between teenage boys and girls.

No wonder that American schools are at the bottom of every league. At the same time, by the time they get out of school, they are already veterans of the "dating scene", which I have come to reject as a method to find a spouse.

So, the son ends up being no good at math and unfit for engineering, while the daughter may have managed to do better in terms of school results, but has developed the bad habits that will bedevil her family life later on, and is already divorcing before actually getting married.

These schools also teach ideas that I don't endorse, whereunder:
- sex before marriage is ok; just use a condom
- dating is the way to find a spouse
- it is normal to co-habitate
- to have children outside marriage is acceptable
- arranged marriages are bad
- homosexuality is "normal"
- religion is st**id
- et cetera

They just hijack the kids and the money at gunpoint, and then ruin their education and their future, because a bunch of democratically elected misfits managed to take control of the system and subvert it, which is the normal democratic result, because most people come out of that education system failure and now seriously believe that this is the way things should be.

Look at the pension system. Instead of the kids supporting their own parents through old age, we have a system in which the government collects taxes from the kids, and then supposedly supports the elderly. It cannot be trusted. It shows the wrong dynamics. Why should anybody raise kids? Doing so, eats into your income, and has no old-age benefits. What's more, raising kids requires a stable family, and they've destroyed that too. As a result, the next generation is too small to support the previous one.

Look at the hospitals. I discern the same pattern there. In a government-run hospital scheme, we are just tax payers and not real customers. So, it goes wrong again.

So, I've come to think that this principle can be generalized. Everything the government organizes by collecting taxes at gunpoint, takes away control from the real customers, who have simply been degraded from customers to tax payers. It will eventually be subverted.

I grew up in that system, but I don't believe any longer in it. I am sure it will crash and burn.

rookaiya wrote: but doesnt a muslim have to take Shahada, u cant be a muslim if u dont declare that " there is none worthy of worship besides Allah and that Muhamad PBUH is the messenger of Allah." if this isnt your belief, then irrespective of how u live and conduct your life, you are not a muslim. thats my understanding.

In the 1400 years of Islam, they've obviously been through this problem before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
(The Koran 49:14) ... early Muslims distinguished between the Muslim, who has "submitted" and does the bare minimum required to be considered a part of the community, and the mu'min, the believer, who has given himself or herself to the faith heart and soul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfir
In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (تكفير) is the practice of declaring that an individual or a group previously considered Muslims are in fact kafir(s) (non-believers in God). The act which precipitates takfir is termed the mukaffir.

So, you don't have to be a Mumin to be a Muslim. As it says above, you must indeed consider everybody who did the shahada to be a Muslim, or else you're in to doing Takfir.

At the same time, the belief that the person who declares to be Muslim, will not break the Islamic rules, remains somehow unwarranted. This person might still rip you off. This problem was apparently not solved, probably, because it cannot be solved.

Crass said : Actually, the person obeying the rules of Islam, is a better person, regardless if the person is Muslim or not. But then again, that depends on the definition of Muslim. You could also define someone to be Muslim, when that person obeys the rules of Islam.

Ditto and thank you for this wisdom.

Brother Mohammad, I don�t think you have read my other posts. Whatever happens in our lives is by the Will of Allah? You say that Allah does not invite such people there then you are denying Allah�s Decree.

Sister I will not do agree with ur understanding,  some thing is happening is different than doing some thing deliberately, we have to differentiate between happen and do some thing with the understanding. For example if some suffer suddenly in heart attack this can be happened by Allah but if some one drink and due to the access of drink he fall in the any problem so will we consider that this was happen by the Allah will. Similarly Suppose someone rape a girl should we consider that this happened by Allah Will. No sister this is not Allah will but this is due to our wrong doing.

Allah Create human superior among all of his creations. What is that superiority, this is the sense, this is the power of thinking that we can know or understand what is wrong or what is right. So Allah Almighty shown us through his commandments that this is the right & this is the wrong, but Allah not force someone to do this or that, this option granted us to choice, and we have to decide that which way we will select.

U said that u denying the Allah decree, please can u give me the any reference where Allah said that u come to visit me no matter what is and how is your source of earning. Allah Almight tells us that u come to visit on the sacred place with your hard / proper earning not by cheating the others by sucking the blood of poor people.

"We are so busy judging people by our standards we fail to realise that we are also being judged by others by their standards."

Sister we are neither trying to judging the people nor this is our intention but just we are crying being a muslim on our shortcomings.