WHAT IS KUFR?????

Truth_light24 wrote: And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers� [Aal- �Imraan 3:81-85] The hadeeth is: "By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Reported by Muslim, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Saheeh, 153

 Thanks TL, I have been posting that all non believers are not Kaafirs. So, please remain on that subject and prove first from the Quran that all non-believers are Kaafir. If you can find any such verse, it will be useful. This is the problem that most of the muslim leaders do not undertsand Islam at all. It is damaging the cause of Islam.

 I can never say that (easily) because I am not a maulvi or scholar. But what I hear from you is the correct belief of all the muslims today as taught to them nowadays. So, I am the odd man out. But I read the Quran and I see that the Kaafir are only those who after knowing about Islam, they start opposing it with all might. Kaafir has to be an enemy of Islam.

 Those who are disbelievers but peaceful people, they do not fight the Muslims on the mere reason of their beliefs in Allah, and they do not persecute any one, they are not Kaafir. Please tell me, what you will call such people who oppose Islam and truth and go to war against Allah and his message? What you will call them?

 It would be better to spare a few people and let them alone if they let you alone in your beliefs. You also do not abuse them. Kaafir is a very serious word. Now please look for some verse which is calling the peaceful people as kaafir just due to their non belief in Islam. Thanks. Also keep in mind the muslims who migrated to Ethiopia (habshah) during the time of the prophet s.a.w.s. Was that a Kaafir country??

 Also remember that the prophet s.a.w.s. felt happy about being in the time of Nausherwan Aadil of Iran. That king was not a muslim. Please continue....

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As'Salamu Alaikum,

Truthlight, let us not answer him any unless he proves from Quran and sunnah that so called peaceful muslims are n't kafirs { disbelievers}. 

Brother Jamaal, You  must be knowing that, those who do good in this world and are disbelievers, they are being rewarded in this world only. They do not have any in the hereafter. Secondly, regarding this sentence of yours

Our Seeks qualified it by saying, you do get a break if you born before the understanding of Islam and even today, if you have never heard of Islam.

If you had read my lines, as far as i remember, i said that scholars vary in this.  One who has n't heard of Islam, will be put to test on the day of judgement which will be equal to the chance a disbeliver gets on earth.. "We will not punish without sending someone to warn you".. Look at this verse. If the warners or the message is n't  reached to them, they are put to test.. And the hell or heaven are final abode.

Every act of ours shud have its intention for the sake of Allahswt. We are rewarded with our intentions. Is n't it ? What do these non-muslims intend. Its not for Allah. But they are been rewarded for there good acts, in this world only. There deeds are n't accepted Hereafter.

Question,

There is a Hadith that there will be 73 sects but only one is saved.

So, with the Sunni (4 Mahhabs, the Wahhabi, etc), Shia, Sufi, Alevi, Ishmaili, Ba'hai (I know they are not considered muslim but they derived their faith from Islam), Twelvers....and the microcosms of Muslims all over the world.

So, if just being Muslim, simply the belief in Muhammed (pbuh) and Allah grants you access to Jannah and keeps you from being Kufr, then what about that Hadith?

 

 There are two Hadith about Muslims being led to hell. One is the Hadith about 73 sects in Islam, i.e. same 72 sects in the Jews and the christians. Only one sect will go to Jannah. The other 72 sects ( i.e. the maximum) will go to hell.

 The companions asked who will be sect which will go to Jannah. The holy prophet replied "It will be the one on whom I am and my companions" In Arabic, he said "Maa anaa Alaihe wa as-haabee".

 The other Hadith is about some people being dragged to hell. The prophet will say that they are his people. Allah will say, "You don't know what they did after you passed away".

 I feel that the muslims will get more punishment for their sins than the non-believers. Their responsibility is more than all other non-believers to practice and carry the message of truth. So, the notion that only all the believers (Momins) will go to Jannah does not seem to be true. I believe that any one who will do a little bit of good will see the result of his goodness on the last day. And any one (may he be a momin or not) who did little bit of bad work will see the result of that bad deed. (Last verses of Surat Zilzaal No.99, see below:)

In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

[99:1] When the earth is shaken with her violent shaking,

[99:2] And the earth throws up her burdens,

[99:3] And man says, 'What is the matter with her?'

[99:4] On that day will she tell her news,

[99:5] For, thy Lord will have commanded her.

[99:6] On that day will men issue forth in scattered groups that they may be shown the results of their works.

[99:7] Then whoso does an atom's weight of good will see it,

[99:8] And whoso does an atom's weight of evil will also see it.

 

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