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    Posted: 08 July 2005 at 8:52am

I have studied for many years on Relationships in extremist muslim familes.  I have been horrified with some of which I have learned.  The women in Jordan being killed in honor killings, sometimes killed for less.  I rescently read a book called Forbidden Love written by Norma Khouri, an escapee from Jordan.  She states many facts about how womens lives in Jordan are threatened every day by men.  These men include, husbands, brothers, relatives in general.  Sometimes even the unknown public.  Norma states that these honor killings are hidden from the western world but are very justified in Jordan.  Here is just one quote to show you what I mean.  "In september 1955, 18 year old Subhieh defied her uncles wishes and married 21 year old mohammed, the man she loved.  Two weeks after they married, her 15 year old brother under instructions from her uncle, went to her home after her husband left for work and shot her five times in the head and chest.  He immediately turned himself in, claiming to have cleansed his families honor and was set free."  This is just one of many examples given in one of many books, that are now getting written more frequently after these poor women escape these viscious men.  I want to hear your views on this.  We know these women more often than not, will say that they believe in what the male says and that he is totally correct, however deep down they are horrified and quite often waiting for their day to come.  Please, let me know what you think and drop an opinion here.  I would be interested indeed to see your point of view.

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it is sad when we hear these stories,its true that this happens i think this is more cultural than religous,often the two get mixed up.i think only in extrem circumstances this happens and we shouldnt think this is islamicly correct because in islam this is wrong.
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Originally posted by aisha aisha wrote:

it is sad when we hear these stories,its true that this happens i think this is more cultural than religous,often the two get mixed up.i think only in extrem circumstances this happens and we shouldnt think this is islamicly correct because in islam this is wrong.

I agree that this is sad, but however i disagree that that this happens to only the extremists.  As i have studied so much and been involved with Islamic women, and they have totally cried out to me, that have really broken my heart.  They are not even muslims, this actual family was Catholic living in Jordan, and whilst you live in Jordan, Muslim or not you have to go buy Jordanian rules.  And one of the Jordanian rules are "A man is entilted to kill a women to cleanse his honour" So this is why i disagree that it is not only extremists that do this or believe in such in human behaviour, its the total country itself.  I do belive however these extremists are just totally not human like kind, they should wipe them out of our countries, but as i have really looked into this, i know that this happens even if they are non extremists.  Women should be treated equally just like the Islamic men want respect they should respect a women you can say even a little more as for a women/wife carries his and her own child, a beautiful magical thing that only women can do in this world, and yet most, most Islamic, muslim men treat these women like they are nothing.

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It would be a little more accurate if you had used a more recent example, 1955 is half a century ago,  but i guess in some places things stay the same or even get worse...the link i am putting here is a must reader, it was an eye opener for me concerning the realities of the suffering and injustice inflicted on women in the islamic world, and the causes of this which have nothing to do with the islamic prinicipal of justice. http://www.karamah.org/articles_quraishi.htm

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Sorry it was not 1955, it was 1995, my appologies.
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i dont know much that goes on there but it does sound like a cultural thing not islamic,my heart to goes out to these women,this country sounds like it needs more education on islam,i thank allah because i have no friends which i know have been treated like this,im sure these men will be judged by allah in the end.

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Originally posted by aisha aisha wrote:

i dont know much that goes on there but it does sound like a cultural thing not islamic,my heart to goes out to these women,this country sounds like it needs more education on islam,i thank allah because i have no friends which i know have been treated like this,im sure these men will be judged by allah in the end.

All i have to say most in the Islamic religion they have these beliefs as i have experianced in reality with people that are Islamic and they wish not to be.  You are happy thats fine but most women/Islamic women dont truely say what they feel, due to fear for there life.  The point fact is that Islamic women are very much controlled from birth to believe in what they have been taught to beleive in, like most of us westerners have, but these women also grow up being afraid, treated wrongly and treated lesser than men, and they know this does not happen in western countries, they are afraid to speak out, so they cry within and we cannot see there real tears.  Why most islamic women can not be treated like normal human beings, this is sad in the year 2005 that we live in now, still women are controlled in great depth, it must stop.

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im sorry but i beg to differ,i am a westener an white english i came to islam purly for myself without being forced a few years ago.i dont think you should say the word most i know a lot of muslim women and there very happy.there is a lot of western men who wrong there wives either by violance or emotional abuse in every part of the world,western women are not as free as they think the pressure of having to look perfect for the want of men,having to give themselves to men at young ages to fit in with the crowd,just look at the young single mums standing on corners because the men they thought would stand by them have long gone,i know i have gone of the subject a little but im trying to explain that it is not a islamic problem it is a human problem and humans can make very big mistakes. 
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