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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 April 2008 at 7:50pm

 

Truth_Light,  

Your post is mostly right and we should inform the non believers about the dangers of Shirk. It is the worst type of sin. But please do not be too much obsessed by that one thing only. The advice towards monotheism should be very peaceful even at the cost of one's life. I fully agree with you.

 My subject was different. Before we can do anything, we must understand the actual meanings of the words 'Momin", "Muslim", "Mushrik", "Munafiq", "kaafir", "Murtadd" etc. It is essential to understand the basic words. Otherwise, we will be misled.

 As I see, there are some misconceptions about the word Kaafir. I have personally heard that all those who have not uttered the Shahadah are kaafir. I don't believe that and would like you to consider these points too. I am sorry, if there is any misunderstanding. I have read your last two posts and i fully agree with what you have written.

 Islam is for peace, total peace. If your grand parents were peaceful then they have nothing to fear (Verse 2:62). But you can always pray for them. I also do not agree with you about calling any christian as a Mushrik. They are involved in polytheism. But they are addressed in the Quran as people of the Book, not as Mushriks.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 April 2008 at 9:54pm

Truth_Light, I don't think your intention with the topic was for name calling, or anything purposely negative. I also think it is an important topic. It is a real concept. The Quran does speak of believers and non-believers. The right and the wrong path. We as Muslims should strive to remain on the correct path, and knowledge helps greatly to help us achieve that.

The subject of a Kufr is a complex study though because it invloves ALL of mankind, not just Muslims. Because we share the world with others that engage in other religions, Allah (s.w.t) gave us a basis on how we are to think and act towards such individuals.

60:13- O you who believe! do not befriend a people upon whom is Allah's wrath, who indeed despair of the Hereafter, as the Unbelievers despair of the Hereafter, as the Unbelievers despair of the inmates of the graves.

60:8-9: Allah does not prohibit you respecting those who have not fought you for the Religion, and who have not turned you out of your homes, that you show them kindness and act equitably towards them. Certainly Allah loves the equitable ones.

Allah only forbids you respecting those who have faught you for the Religion, and turned you out of your homes, and backed up in your being turned out, that you turn to them. And whoever befriends them- then these themsleves the wrongdoers.

Sister, when a muslim converts to Islam it is wonderful. I also embraced Islam due to pure monotheism that is found in Islam . The message that is found in Islam is so rewarding, that if all of mankind shared it the world would be so close to a utopia.

In order for the concept of Islam to get around to others in a universial manner, we have to accept that no matter what, people will embrace other religions. While this is a concept that has to be accepted, doesn't mean that we have to embrace any polythesist practice or say that any such action in other religions are ok, because it is not!

I do believe however, that a individual can achieve practicing a Monothesist faith that allows them to embace the Islamic way of life, but yet still by not practicing orthodox Islam, or carrying the title of 'Muslim'.

The hope of allowing more of mankind to embrace a monothesist faith, we can't start off by thinking that anything other then Orthodox Islam is wrong or a path that does not lead to the right way or carry misconceptions of a indivdual due to their faith alone. It also helps to keep in mind the fact that just like ALL muslims do not practice their faith the same way. We also have to keep this reality in mind. Not all Christians believe in the trinity. Not everyone that practices Hinduism believes in several 'Gods', Not only Muslims accept Muhammad (p.b.u.h) as the last prophet.

Truth_light, their are two statements you made in your post I want to address.

Originally posted by Truth_light24 Truth_light24 wrote:

 If I be a non-muslim, I can still do sins which Christianity believe Jesus has paid for his own flesh and blood, so why I accepted Islam, that forbids me to wear sexy attire, drink liquor, etc etc. and instead am wearing a black sack-like (as what most non-Muslim attributed to loose dresses Muslim women wore) garment, covering hair and all that ? WHY?

 

Yes, there are Christians that perform sinful actions, with the excuse of saying Jesus died for their sins, but not all. It is yet possible to be a Christian and know that sinning is wrong and be held accountable  for their own actions. Their are many Christians that will agree to this and LIVE this lifestyle.

Originally posted by Truth_light24 Truth_light24 wrote:

My grandfather and grandmother died as Christians and it really saddened me because I love them so much and I failed to take them with me to my new true path but what can I do?

I don't know in which way your grandparents lived, or how they practiced their faith. Even though they died as Christians, they sill may have a chance of reaching Jannah.

Only Allah (s.w.t) knows.

Salaam,

Layalee



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2008 at 10:25am

Assalamu Alaikum,

Everyone,

It is very important that when we make a statement about religious matters, we quote the reference or link as well to back up:

4. When discussing issues dealing with Islam, please support your comments with the Quran or Sunnah. Mocking any Quranic reference, Hadith, scholar, or member will not be tolerated. If you are stating something about a religion, please list your source. If it is an opinion, please state this fact.

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Following link may help in connection with discussions in this thread:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=118&C ATE=24

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2008 at 12:49pm

The definition of Muslim is one who submits to the Will of God.

Obviously there are those of the Christian and Jewish faiths who submit to the Will of God or this would not be mentioned in the Quran.

3:113 Not all of them are alike: of the people of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. (Al-Imran)

 Therefore I assume they would be considered Muslims, whether they choose the title or not.

All of the Prophets were Muslims but they did not call themselves thus. That does not make them less of a Muslim.

However, I personally do not think it is for us, mankind, to try to judge who is kafr and who is not. I have been called a kafr once by another Muslim because I was circulating a petition to stop animal abuse. She told me that I loved animals more than people and this was the act of a kafr. I was shocked at first, then I just laughed. Al HamdilAllah, Allah in His wisdom did not give man the ability to judge other men in such a way. Otherwise ignorance would run rampant.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2008 at 12:56pm

I have always thought of heaven as paradise? 

Guess what?!  The majority of Christians are righteous, upright people.  The bad Christians that make the news always overshadow the good one.  It sells the news!!

Just so it is clear, I will repeat again Christians do believe in THE ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD!!

Just because our concept of YHWH is different then yours do not think we commit shirk!!  We trust GOD completely.  Please know He will be just with us.  YHWH will be just with you too.

I do have a concern Muslims always adding Mohammad with Allah, that is assigning a partner.  It is like you are saying that Allah would not exist if Mohammad had not been his prophet! 

Allah won't be just with me because I don't believe in a mere man? 

WOW!!!

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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2008 at 1:50pm

Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Allah won't be just with me because I don't believe in a mere man? 

WOW!!!

Allah is always just.

Allah will judge you because you believe a mere man is God. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2008 at 7:17pm

No, I believe that Jesus Christ my Lord and savior is the Son of GOD. 

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2008 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I have always thought of heaven as paradise?

OK

Guess what?!  The majority of Christians are righteous, upright people.  The bad Christians that make the news always overshadow the good one.  It sells the news!!

This is not a guessing game we know the facts are other way round, that is not what Allah sees; Allah says there are some who have faith but most of them are perverted transgressors!

Just so it is clear, I will repeat again Christians do believe in THE ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD!!

Then stop talking the son business

Just because our concept of YHWH is different then yours do not think we commit shirk!!  We trust GOD completely.  Please know He will be just with us.  YHWH will be just with you too.

Seems like you are preaching to a choir but the choir happens to be bunch of Muslims

I do have a concern Muslims always adding Mohammad with Allah, that is assigning a partner.

I bear witness there is no god  but Allah; I bear witness Muhammad is his slave and messenger

Tell us how does Muhammad(saw) become a partner with your twisted logic?

It is like you are saying that Allah would not exist if Mohammad had not been his prophet!

Allah won't be just with me because I don't believe in a mere man? 

WOW!!!

We don't believe in mere men too, but we believe in the prophet hood of the man who visited Allah and came back to tell his followers to complete his mission that is well recorded. Whereas  to your belief in man god whose stay in the world is shrouded in  myths and mysteries  except what  is revealed through  Quran!




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