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Originally posted by sandra sandra wrote:

Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by sandra sandra wrote:

Religion means nothing to me, all it means is hatred.

fine but it does't exactly change the fact...

Quote I am only stating the facts on Islamic women that are being treated in horrific manners, and most will tell me this is not Islamic, but they are saying they are Islamic, why people dont listen to this? because they dont want to know the truth.

Are you talking to us here specifically or in general? If it us here, WE ARE LISTENING!

And actually you are not stating facts, you are stating that honor killings, mostly in Jordon is Islamic for the fact you have read a few others experiences, horrible ones at that. And this you take on the whole as being for all muslim women. Still being in Jordon, I believe there are families that don't go through honor killings as well, what do you say about those?

As I mentioned before you are so adement that honour killings is islamic, Why?

And if you have read the qu'ran twice, then you must know whether its states/mentions honor killings, so does it ? 

Why don't you listen to us, open a little and think for a bit.

And what is your thoughts on Queen Rania's interviews on the topic ?  

Hope you will answer as I am asking sincerely.

I am so adement that honour killings are going on in most Islamic countires because i have the facts that it is happening,

So you saying that because it is happening in most islamic countries, then it must be islamic ?

Might I say and I mentioned this earlier, just because something happens in an islamic country does not make it islamic!

Heck we have Dubai with its casinos and horseracing, gambling is against islam but yet we have it here in Dubai, so is gambling islamic then because it is in an islamic country ?

We have belly-dancing happening over most islamic countries (its abrab tradition) but baring skin is forbidden and so is that type of dancing in islam, so again is belly dancing islamic because it is in an islamic country ?

Quote why else would i say it because im not muslim, im Australian so i have nothing to gain from it, i actually help out for these crying women.  Why do most people in general and i speak in general to answer your question, that they only want me to listen to the real muslim people? why those i have spoken to that cry for help are non mulisim?? they only want to hear the good and not the bad thats is happeing well reality is its happeing now each day.

No one is saying those muslim women are non muslim, I'm not, I do remember one person that did and I replied to that person to about being wrong but I also knew where they were coming from, while you didn't. 
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Originally posted by sandra sandra wrote:

Originally posted by JulAsif JulAsif wrote:

 

Khadija,

 

I have just read your post on the brothers forum, and I have taken it to heart.  I think I get WAY to passionate in my responses sometimes.

Sandra,I'm not sure what you mean by "I go by the whole Islamic women that have stated this".  ARe you implying you've spoken to every muslim woman in Islam?  I"m sure this is not the case.  Sandra, you have spoken to many good muslims here who tell you that this is not what islam is about.  Why do our opinions not count, but yet the negative opinions abuot Islam do?  Sometimes I think we tend to look for the type of "truth" that will validate our own opinions and pre-conceived notions.  I hope that makes sense.  Anyway, I hope you find whatever answers you are looking for.  Take care, and thank you for supporting womens rights.

Thankyou Khadija for understanding what im trying to stread accross, some one has said have i spoken to all muslims well of course not so do they want me to speak to the mulsims that are not cryingfor help? that would be a waist of time would it? They are not learing and hearing the real cries for help in most muslim Islamic countries that they state this is what they believe is what god tells them to do is to punish women if they do not follow  the mans world.  Why do they insist to tell me other wise or that i have only spoken to the muslim women that are not telling me the truth.  I have heard the truth this happens weather they like if or not, and i at least am trying to something about it as all women should be free and liberated not constrictive to anything, and yet im not even a muslim, what does this tell you about me? that im a good human, even if some in here keep thinking im spreading hate, well they have it wrong, they need to study into many muslim Islamic cultures and if what they are believing in is wrong and what they are doing in these Islamic countires to women are not by the quran or Islamic religion, why dont these other muslims like in this forum that are saying it does not happen just look around there shoulder and help them to fix this true horrific problem instead of just talking and abusing it, and telling people like myself that i have it wrong, i know of a women that has been killed and her family was following the ISLAMIC RELIGION there is only one Islamic religion, so what are these muslims telling me? they tell me this because they live in a liberated country well what i can say to them, go vist an non liberated Islamic country and then come back and appologise to me.  Thankyou for your kindness and i see you have a open mind at least that is great and very intelligent.

Sandra, back on page 4 (above I quoted you entire post) you thanked me for agreeing with you; however, I didn't say that, JulAsif did.  Please don't credit me for something I didn't say.  Although I may agree that it is wonderful to fight against true oppression like with what is happening in Jordan with the "honor killings", I, in no way, shape or form believe that this is the fault of ISLAM.  Islam is a beautiful religion that professes peace, compassion and understand.  If someone who calls themself "Muslim" is committing horrid acts of violence, then they are not following Islam.  GET IT STRAIGHT!!!!  And if you and your friends here think for one second that religion kills, you are so wrong and are blinded by your own ignorance.  Religion doesn't kill, PEOPLE kill.  As long as we blame wrong actions on anything or anyone other than he/she who did it, the seeds of hate and violence will continue to grow in this world.  Do you really think the fact that you are not religious makes you better than others? 

PAZ Khadija 



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yes sis khadija i agree with you "Religion doesn't kill, PEOPLE kills"
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Sandra, you don't get the fact that culture and religon are two seperate things. In India there is a practice of TorI TorI where the husband or mother in law of the bride throw carosene on the girl and light her on FIRE<YES BURN HER ALIVE!!!!! This is being done mainly by Hindus and thousands of women are being affected every year. What is the reason for this??? THE WOMEN DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH OF A DOWRY FROM THERE FAMILY!!! Yes thats it, Money. The guy does not want to have to get a legal divorce marry a new woman because he will have to pay alimony so he just burns the current one. Then he hopes to marry a new bride and get another dowry from her family. Now I as a muslim who has hindu friends know that this is not part of there religon. I would never be ingnorant to say, Hey why are you Hindus doing this? It is a cultural practice, and does not there plight enrage you as much as the muslim womens???
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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To sandra again, I would just like to know if you feel for the thousands of baby girls killed in China every year, not to mention the millions of abortions to get rid of baby girls, many late term abortions. Is this the fault of communism or chinese culture? And I don't think the Chinese government is prosecuting people for suffocating thier newborns because they are simply a girl. China is currently experiencing a population decline of women and increase of men. Only about 8.5 of every 10 men born are women. Now does this mean that chinese people are evil or that there is a serious cultural problem in china that is leading to the murder of inocent baby girls? I know many chinese people and think they are kind and decent. I don't hold them accountable.
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Norma Khouri's book is a hoax. I'm sure you can find loads of references to it on the internet.

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[link] http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/23/1090464854793.html ?from=storylhs&oneclick=true [/link]

[link]http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1164163.htm [/link]

[link] http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=22& ;ItemID=6129[/link]
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Hey, have we forgotten Suleyman's wonderful post about women?

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1309& ;PN=1
�...the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?�
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