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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Servetus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2008 at 6:34pm

Shasta�s Aunt wrote:  �Most of the people who create these tables do so under the assumption that those reading them will not bother to actually look up what is written in the Quran, but will rather gleefully repeat them verbatim to whoever will listen. Therefore they could have referenced verses that do not even exist, it wouldn't matter.�

True, that.  But they can�t try to pawn it off on us.  It�s good to be diligent students.

To fast forward and address point #6.

�YHWH loves sinners and reaches out to his enemies in love. (Exodus 34:5�7; 1 John 4:19)�

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�[The Israelite Judge] Ehud then approached [the king of Moab]  � and said, "I have a message from God for you." As the king rose from his seat, Ehud � drew [his] sword � and plunged it into the king's belly. Even the handle sank in after the blade, which came out his back. Ehud did not pull the sword out, and the fat closed in over it. (Judges 3:20-23)�

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"Seconding Shasta�sAunt's above point, these verses say nothing about authorship of good and evil.  The creator of the above table should either check his references or read more carefully."

Most of the people who create these tables do so under the assumption that those reading them will not bother to actually look up what is written in the Quran, but will rather gleefully repeat them verbatim to whoever will listen. Therefore they could have referenced verses that do not even exist, it wouldn't matter.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Servetus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2008 at 5:08pm

Side note to Doo-bop,

Did I understand you to agree?   If so, I am knocked from my favorite WI-FI pub seat and have spilled my foam and brewski.

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To address the second point.

Quote Evil is not from YHWH, but wilful rebellion against YHWH. YHWH is the author of good, not evil. (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalm 92:15; 1 John 1:5)

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Quote I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. (Isaiah 45:7)

Quote Allah is the author of both good and evil. (Q91:5�9)

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Quote [Shakir 91:5] And the heaven and Him Who made it,
[Yusufali 91:5] By the Firmament and its (wonderful) structure;
[Pickthal 91:5] And the heaven and Him Who built it
[Shakir 91:6] And the earth and Him Who extended it,
[Yusufali 91:6] By the Earth and its (wide) expanse:
[Pickthal 91:6] And the earth and Him Who spread it,
[Shakir 91:7] And the soul and Him Who made it perfect,
[Yusufali 91:7] By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it;
[Pickthal 91:7] And a soul and Him Who perfected it
[Shakir 91:8] Then He inspired it to understand what is right and wrong for it;
[Yusufali 91:8] And its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right;-
[Pickthal 91:8] And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it.
[Shakir 91:9] He will indeed be successful who purifies it,
[Yusufali 91:9] Truly he succeeds that purifies it,
[Pickthal 91:9] He is indeed successful who causeth it to grow,

Seconding Shasta�sAunt's above point, these verses say nothing about authorship of good and evil.  The creator of the above table should either check his references or read more carefully.

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Allah has 99 names.

Here is a link that lists them:

http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/99names.htm

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote believer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2008 at 4:39pm
Yes it is posting weird- maybe because we are all on at the same time.
 
Shasts's aunt - Do you know the Arabic word for His personal name YWHW?
 
I know Jesus which is actually, Yeshua became Isa in arabic.  
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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I'm not sure why they posted out of order, but it should be easy enough to correspond to the chart.....

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Allah is the Arabic word for God.

I think it would behoove the poster to read the actual Quranic verses referenced here.
 
Part 1:
 

Ash-Shams (The Sun)

91:5 By the Firmament and its (wonderful) structure;

91:6 By the Earth and its (wide) expanse:

91:7 By the Soul, and the proportion and order given to it;

91:8 And its enlightenment as to its wrong and its right;-

91:9 Truly he succeeds that purifies it,

 

Al-Baqara (The Cow)

2:109 Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them: But forgive and overlook, Till Allah accomplish His purpose; for Allah Hath power over all things.

 

An-Nisa (The Women)

4:125 Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.

Al-Hashr (The Gathering)

59:20 Not equal are the Companions of the Fire and the Companions of the Garden: it is the Companions of the Garden, that will achieve Felicity.

59:21 Had We sent down this Qur'an on a mountain, verily, thou wouldst have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah. Such are the similitudes which We propound to men, that they may reflect.

59:22 Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

59:23 Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah. (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.

59:24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

An-Nisa (The Women)

4:50 Behold! how they invent a lie against Allah. but that by itself is a manifest sin!

4:51 Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were given a portion of the Book? they believe in sorcery and Evil, and say to the Unbelievers that they are better guided in the (right) way Than the believers!

4:52 They are (men) whom Allah hath cursed: And those whom Allah Hath cursed, thou wilt find, have no one to help.

4:53 Have they a share in dominion or power? Behold, they give not a farthing to their fellow-men?

4:54 Or do they envy mankind for what Allah hath given them of his bounty? but We had already given the people of Abraham the Book and Wisdom, and conferred upon them a great kingdom.

 

Al-Imran (The Family of Imran)

3:25 But how (will they fare) when we gather them together against a day about which there is no doubt, and each soul will be paid out just what it has earned, without (favour or) injustice?

3:26 Say: "O Allah. Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.

3:27 "Thou causest the night to gain on the day, and thou causest the day to gain on the night; Thou bringest the Living out of the dead, and Thou bringest the dead out of the Living; and Thou givest sustenance to whom Thou pleasest, without measure."

3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

3:29 Say: "Whether ye hide what is in your hearts or reveal it, Allah knows it all: He knows what is in the heavens, and what is on earth. And Allah has power over all things.

 
 
�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
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