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Angel 
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 Posted: 07 June 2008 at 10:19pm |
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What are you saying, because it happens more there that it must be islamic? Haven't we told you that its a tribal thing and not religious and that it happens to others who are not muslim.
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Mystical
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Posted: 07 June 2008 at 10:31pm |
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If it was a "tribal thing" it would also then Christian nations would also be infested just as much as Muslim nations are with senseless honor killings. However this is OFF TOPIC and this topic here is more a crime of passion rather than honor killing.
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Angel
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Posted: 07 June 2008 at 10:33pm |
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go to the thread I think Shanta's Aunt created in general.
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Mystical
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Posted: 07 June 2008 at 10:50pm |
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Your first response ignored it and no I hadnt seen your second response before I posted up again with my comment....SORRY. So you reckon in this analogy I presented you the husband should "rot in jail" for it? We both agree killing is not justified in either case but I maintain it is not murder (unless as you say it was premeditated...I had not read that it was but even so) it was a crime of passion that one can sympathise with.
But you are correct I probably went to far in saying "GOOD FOR HER!" but it's a woman thing sympathising with another woman's situation. If that was my husband you betcha I would want to kill him but I doubt though I would have the guts to do it.
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 08 June 2008 at 12:53am |
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Mystical:
I can see that you are one of those people who believe what they want to believe no matter what evidence to the contrary is given. It must be comforting to you to be so secure in your own narrow vision of the world, however, other people might find this offensive since it comes across as very accusative and insulting.
Despite the denials from Muslims and non-Muslims alike on this board, along with postings with links to credible sources that state to the contrary you continue on, even going so far as to condone crimes of passion: "I had not read that it was but even so) it was a crime of passion that one can sympathise with." which are in fact honor killings as they are known in the west.
This speaks volumes to me, as I am sure to others reading your posts, about your intentions. Most non-Muslims come here to actually learn about Islam, some come for other more notorious reasons. Such a shame. However, this is an Islamic discussion forum and I am sure that whatever your religious beliefs and/or cultural leanings, it is still probably considered very rude within your circle to visit someone's home with the sole purpose of insulting them.
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Chrysalis
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Posted: 08 June 2008 at 6:51am |
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Refer to Honour Killings in India. India is predominantly a Non-Muslim state. . . and you will find what are called "Stove-Killings" there. Where the Mother-in-law . . .or the In-Laws incl. Husband KILL the bride if she does not bring a big enough dowry with her. Which is ALSO done in the name of honour, because if the family's daughter in law brings a large dowry, it brings honour to the family.
The daughter-in-law is sometimes also killed if she cannot give birth to a Male Heir (even though if its anyones fault, it is the Father's, since he couldnt produce a Y-chromosome.) Which again is in the name of honour.
A lot of times, (again in India , where the pre-dominant religion is Hinduism) the newly born DAUGHER is either Killed. . . or more than often aoborted nowadays . . .because daughters bring dishonour to them. Again an honour-killing. Which is why in India, the male to female ratio is more because of this practise.
You can EASILY find all this info online. Should I be blaming the HINDU RELIGION for acts committed by ppl who give precedance to culture? and thier twisted interpretations of Honour?
ENGLAND: Not so long ago . . .Men would fight duels to 'defend' thier honour if an affair/adultery took place. ATLEAST one death was inevitable during these duels. . . this again was in the name of honour. Just because the 'victim' was a male doesnt mean its not an honour-killing. Although this was against the english law, these duels still took place, and were rampant. Despite being illegal. Niether the religion nor law condoned it. Edited by Chrysalis - 08 June 2008 at 6:59am |
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martha
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Posted: 08 June 2008 at 6:57am |
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there are also a number of honour killings in the UK each year.
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some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Chrysalis
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Posted: 08 June 2008 at 7:14am |
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No "Honour Killings" as such existed at the time of the Prophet, which is why there are no specific verses which condemn it using those words.
There ARE however lots of verses & ahadith that talk about taking a person's life (both male & female) and what a big sin it is. There are also verses which talk SPECIFICALLY about female genocide.
Chapter 81:
AT-TAKWIR (THE OVERTHROWING, THE ROLLING) Verse 8:
. . . ." When the female (infant), buried alive, is questioned - For what crime she was killed;" . . .
Chapter 5, verse 32:
"if anyone slays a human beingunless it be for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind"
The above verse refers to men, women, children, muslims/non-muslims alike.
There are also numerous ahadith which talk about the sin of murders, as well as specifically of female genocide.
So don't say that Islam does not speak out against Honour-Killings.
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