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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
  robin, you are from Jw or YW. You need two miracles. First one that Jesus must die on the cross for the salvation of mankind. Then he should come to life. Then he should walk about and then go to the father (God) in heaven.
 
 Then when he will sit on the right side of God, it means he is still there a separate entity from the Great God. Where did his body go when Jesus ascended to heavens?
 
 There are so many problems. It is difficult to ask the answers from Believer or robin. robin has different theories.
 
God must have demateralised his body as it had been sacreficed & raised Jesus as a spirit to evertual go back to heaven to be at God's right hand.
 
For 40 days Jesus materlised a body for his follower to see then dematerlasing when finished (to go back to heaven) using his God given powers to do so.
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 Speculation ! Surmising ! Your own Good wishes? YW theory?
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
 Speculation ! Surmising ! Your own Good wishes? YW theory?
 
What do you think some of your comments are, fact?


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  robin, Please look at your own wording:
 
 God must have demateralised his body as it had been sacreficed
 
 Are you speculating and hoping or not? Please see it.
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
  robin, Please look at your own wording:
 
 God must have demateralised his body as it had been sacrificed.
 
 Are you speculating and hoping or not? Please see it.
 
Logical conclusion, based on scripture, as God did like he did with Moses body he did with the body of Jesus:-
 
Deuteronomy 34:5-6
After that Moses the servant of Jehovah died there in the land of Mo�ab at the order of Jehovah. 6 And he [Jehovah] proceeded to bury him in the valley in the land of Mo�ab in front of Beth-pe�or, and nobody has come to know his grave down to this day.
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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
But what if Jesus was alive when he came down from the cross? 
 
I would make faith and belief in God & Jesus a total waist of time and one might as well become a athiest!
 
 
What you believe in could perhaps be a total waste of time.
 
One does not need to become an atheist, that is a silly notion, robin!
I myself may not believe as you but I do believe in Jesus and God, separate entities thou, And if Jesus was alive when he came down then that is of no difference to my beliefs. But then again I am not believing that the cruxification and resurrection is the main points in belief for salvation.
 
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Originally posted by Angel Angel wrote:

Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
But what if Jesus was alive when he came down from the cross? 
 
I would make faith and belief in God & Jesus a total waist of time and one might as well become a athiest!
 
 
What you believe in could perhaps be a total waste of time.
 
One does not need to become an atheist, that is a silly notion, robin!
I myself may not believe as you but I do believe in Jesus and God, separate entities thou, And if Jesus was alive when he came down then that is of no difference to my beliefs. But then again I am not believing that the cruxification and resurrection is the main points in belief for salvation.
 
 
Jesus died for the final establishment of the true faith in God!
 
If what muslims think about Jesus was true then faith would be of no use as there is No Medator for the New Covernant, No Salvation, No Kingdom, and No Hope for mankind, thus no point in belief!
 
 
 
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Jesus died for the final establishment of the true faith in God!
 
If what muslims think about Jesus was true then faith would be of no use as there is No Medator for the New Covernant, No Salvation, No Kingdom, and No Hope for mankind, thus no point in belief!
 
 robin, your post has no logic, no intellect, no rationality. It is just a forceful assumption. You being a JW have different beliefs from the mainline christians.
You half believe that Jesus is God.
You half believe in Trinity.
But you believe in the original sin.
You believe that Jesus (a god ) died on the cross.
You believe inJesus death for the atonement of sins of others.
 
 You believe that an innocent man Jesus was killed on the cross for the sins of others.
 Now here you are establising a true faith through the death of Jesus on the cross. We Muslims (and the Jews) consider the death on the cross as a cursed (La'anat) death. We do not believe that Jesus was a cursed person. He did not die on the cross. He was alive when brought down from the cross.
 
 Remember that the real curse is from God. The curse or abuse of mankind has no value. A cursed person (curse of God) is far from the blessings of God. Jesus is not that type of person.
 
 There is no need to kill Jesus on the cross in order to establish any new covenant. Never had it been done before too. The human sacrifce is forbidden since the trial of Abraham and Ishmael a.s. Ishmael was spared by Allah for a later sacrifice in lieu which was to be presented in the way of Allah by the Companions of the holy prophet in large numbers, in the way of truth.
 
 So the last covenant was established for mankind through the prophet Muhammad by the brave actions and blood of the companions of the prophet to eradicate evil from the society and to free mankind from the shackles of religious slavery.


Edited by minuteman - 15 August 2008 at 9:43pm
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