How did Jesus die

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And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'
and
Hence its clear from this
verse that Isa (a.s) was not tortured, dragged through the streets and
put on the cross to die. The people could not harm him in any
way as another verse proves. 

He[as] might have been put
on the cross but was not killed or crucified and both verses  do not
say that he was not put on cross. [violence] is in brackets and hence
not the word in quran. The verse restrain children of Israel from u
could very well mean that they could not kill or crucify him.

003.055 : Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself 

ALLAH SAID O JESUS i WILL CAUSE Thee to die (mutawaffi derived from Tawaffa and u explained it means taking away the soul whether in sleep or death) and will raise thee to my self....

Just look at the order, 1st Allah will cause him to die and then raise him.

plz read my next post relating to mutawaffi and i will present there something  from quran which may clear the meaning of mutawaffi (what does it means here; whether take away soul in sleep or in death)

there is no where mentioned in quran that he was physically taken to the skies/heavens.

 " it was made to appear to them"
I guess my point is pretty clear with respect to this.
How was it made to appear to them?
if Jesus was present  in front of them  physically, only then it would appear to them that he was dead as they could physically see him.
They though he died but he might have been in comma and thats how Allah made to appear to them that..., perfectly within the rules of the world.

For the record, there's no such thing as the use of the ultimate
power or superpowers by Allah to get things done. Everything's easy for
him; 'Be and it is'.
 by the super powers i mean   the powers that God never uses in deciding worldly matters.

If god wants, he can help a poor by throwing from the sky

some gold into his house but that is against logic and his law.

If he will never do it (though he can) but might help that poor guy  through some  worldly means (within the law of this world) 

like that poor  might win a prize bond.

u see in the 1st case it is his special power, unnatural is a better word to describe it but second one is natural, in connection with our logic, within the rules of the world, consistent with patterns of this world. 

God will use his unnatural power only when he can not find a solution within the rules of this world, without breaking his own laws but we know that it is not possible as God has got all the solutions as he is powerfully and all knowing

so that is what my point was that i explained with a lengthy post on page 6 that he is powerful and everything is so easy that he must have created some worldly mean to save jesus and not had to break any of his own rule
[otherwise it could very well mean that God was trapped[nauzubillah] and he had to use his  that super power/break his rule to rescue jesus]
just as he saved prophet[sa] without intervening in his own laws. Jesus was not the only prophet that people tried to kill but God saved them all without raising them to the skies and even when Jesus was born, we know how God saved him perfectly within his rules.

cont..

Edited by H3OO - 01 October 2008 at 10:18pm