How did Jesus die

004.159 
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-

u said that everyone has to believe in him before his death. Now if u  see,  its clear that millions of people(people of book) have already died  without believing in him but quran say everyone must believe, whereas everyone already hasnt and have died, so it might contradict the verse.

Here is more logical translation and makes more sense and it also makes a connection with the previous verse in which jesus being saved from crucification is mentioned.

"And there is none among the people of the Book but will  believe in it (it; refers to being crucified) before his (it may be people of book and not jesus) death  and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them." (4:159)




the above  may mean that there is no one among the people of the book who didnt believe that he was not  crucified or not killed (which allah clearly states in the verse 4:157] before his(book of people) death.

and at that time after this event, every people of book believed that he was either killed or crucified and they all died with this belief. Now it looks true and makes sense.

until quran cleared this matter as to what happened and
as he[jesus as] was alive at that time,  as he survived and migrated some where else, so surely he wouldve the news, that people of book are in a delusion that he is crucified or killed and hence the witness
and he will be a witness on day of judgment.

so make a link of this with the verse 157:
 God says that jesus was not killed or crucified but the killers are in a doubt/conjecture that they crucified or killed him and every of the people of book died believing to have killed him or crucified him.

and this automatically also proves that he has died, a natural death.








Edited by H3OO - 04 October 2008 at 8:28am

yes, second coming of jesus is mentioned but it is no where mentioned that he will be the same  Hazrat ISA[as], the son of Mary.
Infact it is the imam mehdi (Promised Messiah) who has been called the second coming of Hazrat Isa[as] or ibn maryam but no where is mentioned that it will the same Hazrat Isa[as].

The Quranic verse 4:159 is an implication of the second coming of the Messiah Isa ibn Maryam, the same Messiah mentioned in 4:157-158.

References from quran where meaning of Tawaffa is taken as Death.

 
3/193
...AAannasayyi-atina watawaffana maAAa al-abrari

.... Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous.
 
4/15
...albuyooti hattayatawaffahunna almawtu aw yajAAala Allahu lahunnasabeelan
...confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way

4/97
Inna allatheena tawaffahumualmala-ikatu thalimee....
When angels take the souls of those who die in sin against their souls, ....


5/117
..falammatawaffaytanee kunta anta alrraqeeba AAalayhim ...
..but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them..

2/234
Waallatheena yutawaffawnaminkum wayatharoona azwajan yatarabbasnabi-anfusihinna...
And [as for] those of u who die and leave wives behind, these shall wait.....

 2/240
Waallatheena yutawaffawnaminkum wayatharoona azwajan wasiyyatanli-azwajihim ...
and those of u who die and leave wives behind shall bequeath to their wives.....


6/61
...almawtu tawaffat-hurusuluna wahum la yufarritoona
...At length, when death approaches one of you, Our angels take his soul,
 and they never fail in their duty.

7/37
...alkitabi hatta itha jaat-humrusuluna yatawaffawnahum qaloo...
...until, when our messengers (of death) arrive and take their souls, ...

7/126
...AAalaynasabran watawaffana muslimeena.
...pour out on us patience and constancy, and take our souls unto thee as Muslims

8/50
Walaw tara ith yatawaffaallatheena kafaroo ...
If thou couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers (at death)

10/46
...naAAiduhum aw natawaffayannaka fa-ilaynamarjiAAuhum thumma Allahu shaheedun AAala mayafAAaloona.
some part of what We promise them,- or We take thy soul (to Our Mercy) (Before that),- in any case,
to Us is their return: ultimately Allah is witness, to all that they do

10/104
...Allahaallathee yatawaffakum waomirtu an akoona minaalmu/mineena
But I worship Allah - Who will take your souls (at death): I am commanded to be (in the ranks) of the Believers.

12/101
...alddunyawaal-akhirati tawaffanee musliman waalhiqneebialssaliheena
...Take Thou my soul (at death) as one submitting to Thy will (as a Muslim), and unite me with the righteous."

13/40
Wa-in ma nuriyannaka baAAdaallathee naAAiduhum aw natawaffayannaka fa-innamaAAalayka albalaghu waAAalayna alhisabu
    Whether We shall show thee (within thy life-time) part of what we promised them or take to ourselves thy soul (before it is all
accomplished),- thy duty is to make (the Message) reach them: it is our part to call them to account.



16/28
Allatheena tatawaffahumu almala-ikatuthalimee anfusihim...
"(Namely) those whose lives the angels take in a state of wrong-doing to their own souls." Then would
they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no
evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;

 16/70
WaAllahu khalaqakum thummayatawaffakum waminkum man yuraddu ila...
It is Allah who creates you and takes your souls at death;...

 22/5
...man yutawaffawaminkum man yuraddu ila arthali ...
...that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die...


32/11
Qul yatawaffakum malaku almawti allatheewukkila bikum thumma ila rabbikum turjaAAoona.
Say: "The Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls: then shall ye be brought back to your Lord."


 40/67
...o shuyookhan waminkum man yutawaffa min qabluwalitablughoo...
...reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before...

 40/77
...aw natawaffayannaka fa-ilayna yurjaAAoona
...We show thee (in this life) some part of what We promise them,- or We take thy soul (to Our Mercy)
 (before that),-(in any case) it is to Us that they shall (all) return.

 47/27
Fakayfa itha tawaffat-humu almala-ikatuyadriboona wujoohahum waadbarahum
But how (will it be) when the angels take their souls at death, and smite their faces and their backs?

3/55
Ith qala Allahu yaAAeesa innee mutawaffeeka warafiAAuka ilayya...
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will cause u to die and raise thee to Myself and clear thee...

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and as mentioned before, where meaning of Tawaffa is to be taken as "taking soul at sleep", the word sleep or night is mentioned with them in quran and that is only in 2 places in quran.

6/60
Wahuwa allathee yatawaffakumbiallayli wayaAAlamu...
It is He who doth take your souls by night, and hath knowledge..


39/42

Allahu yatawaffa al-anfusa heenamawtiha waallatee...
It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep...

i hope this info will be useful




Edited by H3OO - 04 October 2008 at 8:36am

believer wrote: So Muslims do believe that the soul and body die at the same time, except when sleeping?    Does this mean that the soul ceases to exist?   "What is it called, when a person sentenced to death by crucifixion is impaled on the cross but still survives?"   The soldiers stabbed Jesus to make sure He was dead.

 

Was the Person on the Cross Really Jesus?

 The Bible says

�For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;� (Psalms 37:28)

But yet when Jesus Christ (pbuh) was put on the cross according to the Bible. He cried out

�About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice,"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"  (Mathew 27:46)

�And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)

How can Jesus be forsaken when God does not forsake his faithful ones?? Now the Christians have four options to choose from.

1.      The person put on the cross was not really Jesus.

2. Jesus (pbuh) was not faithful to God.

3. Jesus (pbuh) is a lied that God forsook him.

      4.      Bible is lying when it says that God does not forsake his beloved ones.
 
�There is no reference to Jesus� death as a crucifixion in the pre-Markan Jesus material�
(Mack Burton, Who Wrote the New Testament? The Making of the Christian Myth, p. 87)