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Yes, he has quoted wrong verses. They are not from the Qura'n. Another tactic of theirs. FOt instance i checked last two verses of 5th chapter.
He pasted this verse :

5:13 Allah did aforetime take a Covenant from the Children of Israel, and We appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said: "I am with you: If ye (but) establish regular Prayers, practice regular Charity, believe in My apostles, honor and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path of rectitude."

Which in Qur'an is
 
13. So, because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them and made their hearts grow hard. They changed the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves the doers of good.)
 
And an other verse which he pasted was
 

5:71 Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Which is like this one in the holy Qur'an
 
71. They thought there will be no Fitnah (trial or punishment), so they became blind and deaf; after that Allah turned to them (with forgiveness); yet again many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is the All-Seer of what they do.) Allah reminds that He took the covenant and pledges from the Children of Israel to hear and obey Him and His Messenger. They broke these pledges and covenants and followed their lusts and desires instead of the law, and whichever part of the law they agreed with, they took it. Otherwise, they abandoned it, if it did not conform to their desires
Remember Robin, every muslim shall say the same as brother Nasir says - "
Thankyou Robin, I respect your religion, but I take the path of Islam and believe nothing but the word of the Quran (the words of ALLAH)."
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Thankyou Robin, I respect your religion, but I take the path of Islam and believe nothing but the word of the Quran (the words of ALLAH).
 
Salam brother Nasir,
 
Alhamdulillah. The more we are grateful to Allah, the more blessings we will get from Him.
 
Stay put in your Islamic faith, the True Religion of God Almighty.
 
As to the end of the earth, one of the signs is the emergence of Dajjal who has only one eye. I had read alot about Zionism, Illuminati, The New World Order and these people really worship Dajjal. They have human sacrifice as an offering to their God Dajjal. Astaghfirullah!
 
The Zionists have a lot of power and they even could create tsunamis that destroyed part of South East Asia and the latest one is the earthquake in China.
 
Now, war can be created with just using a remote control.
 
Qiyamah is indeed not far. We do not have to bother when it will happen, but take care that we die in iman and Islam.
 
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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 quran:chapter 5 Al MAIDAH; verse:77

    "say:"O people of the Book!exceed not in your religion the bounds(of what is proper),trespassing beyond the truth,nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by-who mislead many, and strayed (themselves)from the even way!"

  verse:86 "and those who reject faith and belie our signs- they shall be companions of hell fire."
 translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

 
Robin - I have been directed to the above site-  there is still questions though to the correct translation of the Quran.
 
check out:
 
 
 
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YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
PICKTHAL: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs, and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
SHAKIR: And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.
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YUSUFALI: But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on deceits: but forgive them, and overlook: for Allah loveth those who are kind.
PICKTHAL: And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them. But bear with them and pardon them. Lo! Allah loveth the kindly.
SHAKIR: But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good.

This is not talking about the written words and that they changed them in writing, but have twisted the meanings in their minds.  If the Quran is talking about the written word isn't there a word for BOOK in arabic? 
 
No scribe is mentioned as changing the written word.  Are there arabic words for these thought?
 
The Dead Sea Scrolls show us that the writen words have not changed
 


Edited by believer - 11 July 2008 at 6:07am
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
 

Robin, you have given three verses of chapter 4 as follows:

Su 4:163 We have sent thee Inspiration, as We sent it To Noah and the Messengers After him: We sent Inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob And the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, And to David We gave The Psalms

164 Of some apostles We have Already told thee the story; Of others we have not;- And Moses God spoke direct;-

165 Apostles who gave good news As well as warning, That mankind, after (the coming) Of the apostles, should have No plea against God: For God is Exalted in Power,

I do not know from where you have taken the translation. But there are variations / diversions and translation is not exact, at least it is misguiding. Please see the right translation below because you had used the wrong words to translate the words Nabiyyeen and rasool and Rusul. See the three verses below with very little change made therein for your guidance. And please note that Wahi is not inspiration. And messengers are not apostles.

Su 4:163 We have sent thee Revelation (Wahi), as We sent it To Noah and the prophets After him: We sent Revelation to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob And the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, And to David We gave The Psalms.

164 Of some messengers We have Already told thee the story; Of others we have not;- And Moses God spoke direct;-

165 Messengers who gave good news As well as warning, That mankind, after (the coming) Of the messengers, should have No plea against God: For God is Exalted in Power,

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YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed to you as We revealed to Nuh, and the prophets after him, and We revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and Isa and Ayub and Yunus and Haroun and Sulaiman and We gave to Dawood

004.164
YUSUFALI: Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;-
PICKTHAL: And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah spake directly unto Moses;
SHAKIR: And (We sent) messengers We have mentioned to you before and messengers we have not mentioned to you; and to Musa, Allah addressed His Word, speaking (to him):

004.165
YUSUFALI: Messengers who gave good news as well as warning, that mankind, after (the coming) of the messengers, should have no plea against Allah: For Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
PICKTHAL: Messengers of good cheer and of warning, in order that mankind might have no argument against Allah after the messengers. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: (We sent) messengers as the givers of good news and as warners, so that people should not have a plea against Allah after the (coming of) messengers; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

I thought the Islam taught the the Quran never changed?
 
Thus The Bible is to be followed.


Edited by robin - 24 July 2008 at 1:02am
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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by Nasir Nasir wrote:

Is it true on some islamic sites where they come up with the number 1710 AH, the number of lunar years earth will survive considered true? It is said that in the 2015 the world will end, according to some mathematical calculations, and number taken from the quran, the world will end in 2015, hence the number 20:15, a verse in the quran.
 
read about it..
 
I say, only the almighty ALLAH knows when its coming, and I hope its not soon, with all the wars going, and the smoke which is a sign, meaning pollution. ICE CAPS are predicted to be melted entirely by 2010, and one of god's verse is that the world will end mostly by water, hence the sea levels growing.
 
This planet will never be destroyed says Allah:-
 
Ecclesiastes 1:4
A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
 
Psalm 78:69
And he began to build his sanctuary just like the heights, Like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite.
 
Psalm 104:5
He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
 
Psalm 119:90
Your faithfulness is for generation after generation. You have solidly fixed the earth, that it may keep standing.
 
Robin sorry to say it, but your Bible disagrees with you again:
Genesis 6:13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

Shall we call it an other contradiction of the Bible or will we will carve up some explaination?

Hasan


Edited by honeto - 08 October 2008 at 5:51pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by Nasir Nasir wrote:

Thank You my brother, it is only The Almighty (Allah) who knows!

You know, these past couple of days I have started to pray and I suddenly stopped swearing, having an eye for women, and my heart feels so open and bright. I have not made fun of anyone, and sometimes I feel like crying when I read the Qu'ran...


May Allah bless you for your personal Jihad - and ease your struggles. . . your delight with your discovery of Islam is contagious Bro. . . :)
 
Just one thing tht popped into my mind, and I thought I'd add, for the benefit of non-muslim readers.
 
Islam is not a monastic religion - hence 'women' are not considered a devil's weapon of mass distraction . . . rather,  its natural and acceptable for Men in Islam to have an 'eye' for women within marital boundaries. 
 
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