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Ron Webb
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Young children are very much like prisoners of their parents. They are given very little freedom at first, and they are under constant surveillance. And yes, they may be punished if they disobey.
We need to treat them that way because as much as we love them, we know that they cannot always be trusted. They have not yet learned to control their feelings or think long-term. Moreover, they often do not understand the risks involved in certain seemingly innocuous behaviours. So we set up clear (but often arbitrary) rules and penalties (e.g., "eat your peas or you don't get dessert"), easily understood and enforced.
Later,as our children mature and begin doing the right things because they are right instead of out of fear of getting caught, those arbitrary rules are dropped. I would not consider punishing my adult daughter for something, even if I could. I would simply remind her of the real reasons why her behaviour was bad (e.g., if you don't eat your peas you won't be healthy), and leave it at that. And I would love her just as much, whether she changed her behaviour or not, because that's what love is.
It seems to me that God continues to treat people as children. Worse, actually, because to be effective, penalties must be given as soon as possible after the offense in order to change behaviour. Telling my young daughter that she must eat her peas or I will punish her "eventually" would be worse than useless.
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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myahya
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Ron: Young children are very much like prisoners of their parents. They are given very little freedom at first, and they are under constant surveillance. And yes, they may be punished if they disobey. Such
a young child is likely to obey only out of fear of punishment (which itself is
because of their lack of understanding as you also said), but loving parents do
not punish to benefit from it nor to feel better. I would simply remind her of the real
reasons why her behaviour was bad (e.g., if you don't eat your peas you
won't be healthy), and leave it at that. In
Monotheistic religions, as an example, God simply reminds people to not worship
pieces of stones carved by human. He reminds them (through His prophets) that the stones are not alive and can not even
defend themselves so it is a waste of time worshiping them. This is a clear simple
real reason, isn�t it? It seems to me that God continues to treat people as children. Through
His last prophet, He has completed what people need to grow otherwise He would not send His last prophet. However, in contrast to this accomplishment, it
seems many people continue to refuse the truth childishly. Worse, actually, because to be effective, penalties must be given as
soon as possible after the offense in order to change behaviour. Edited by myahya - 12 November 2008 at 8:16am |
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Ron Webb
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And then, much later and after it is too late for the idolators to correct their behaviour, then he roasts them in Hell for eternity. Look, if He really doesn't want people worshipping idols, all He has to do is to make every idol burst into flames or melt into a puddle of magma the moment anyone tries to worship it. It wouldn't take long before people got the message. It would also be irrefutable, reproducible, scientific evidence that God exists. As I've said before, if God really cared whether we believed in Him or not, He could do a much, much better job at getting His message out. |
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myahya
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Ron: And then, much later and after it is too late for the idolators to
correct their behaviour, then he roasts them in Hell for
eternity. Only
one of His prophet (Nuh (as)) was trying to convince them to correct their
behavior for about 1000 years. After him so many prophets with miracles and
clear evidences and reasons tried in different ways but those who did not want to
change did not, that was that. However, who has told you that in the other
world all of the idolators will be necessarily in Hell for eternity? As much as
I know from Islamic opinion, eternity is not for all of those in Hell. Look, if He really doesn't want people worshipping idols, all He has to
do is to make every idol burst into flames or melt into a puddle of magma the
moment anyone tries to worship it. It wouldn't take long before people
got the message. It would also be irrefutable, reproducible, scientific
evidence that God exists. As I've said before, if God really cared
whether we believed in Him or not, He could do a much, much better job at
getting His message out. I
would say in such a case God had to destruct everything as people has worshiped
everything from moon, sun and human to animals and other things. |
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