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Originally posted by Nazarene Nazarene wrote:

i may be covering old ground with my reply. i haven't read all replies to this post. and i don't mean to jump into the middle of a conversation. but on the topic of women covering thier heads, my great aunt was amish. i never ever seen her with out her bonet head covering. women other than nuns cover their heads in the christain world yet nobody chastizes them, thier husbends or thier faith for that fact. 
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Hello Nazarene,
 
I love the Amish people.  I grew up down the road from several Amish familes, and they were WONDERFUL people.  But, sadly, it is untrue that no one chastizes them.  There were plenty of people who spoke rudely about them, and felt they were a "cult", which of course they were NOT. During my lifetime I have seen that there are some folks who just cannot accept anyone else's faith or religion.  I know I am far from perfect, but if an individual is trying very hard, with all their might, to serve and please God.....why not leave them alone?  It's called religious tolerance.  I don't expect to convert anyone to my faith, and I try not to criticize other's faiths (I may slip up on that one occasionally), but it is wrong and rude to belittle another person's faith.  That's just my opinion.
 
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Patty,

thanks for pointing out that my quote was from NT and not OT.
A couple of more interesting questions: how come the catholic priests and clergy cover their heads with those skull caps?
 
1 Corinthians 11:4"Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head."
 
Also on the website on the link you sent there is a image representing the Virgin Mary, underneath it says " Mother of God".
So you do believe that Virgin Mary as Mother of God?
 
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Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Patty,

thanks for pointing out that my quote was from NT and not OT.
A couple of more interesting questions: how come the catholic priests and clergy cover their heads with those skull caps?
 
1 Corinthians 11:4"Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head."
 
Also on the website on the link you sent there is a image representing the Virgin Mary, underneath it says " Mother of God".
So you do believe that Virgin Mary as Mother of God?
 
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Hi Hasan,
 
In answer to your question regarding the verse in I Corinthians, this is what I have to respond to your question of this passage by St. Paul:
 
During the course of history there were times when it was common for men, and even clerics, to wear their hair long; and none felt that St. Paul�s words considering the practice a disgrace applied to them.

Likewise, liturgical norms tell bishops to keep their skullcaps on during some of the prayers during Mass, and they may use the mitre while preaching, without falling under St. Paul�s injunction that this practice brings shame upon his head. The norms, however, do ask him to remove his head covering for the Eucharistic Prayer and when the Blessed Sacrament is exposed.

As far as Mary being the Mother of God, Yes I do believe she is the Mother of God, because as a Catholic I believe in the Holy Trinity.  In the Trinity, there are not three separate Gods as many mistakenly think we believe......there are three totally unique entities, which join together to form ONE God.  There is God, the first person of the Trinity.   Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity.  These three unite to form the triune Godhead. 
 
Based on my belief, and this is also the belief of most Protestants, I would say, yes, I do believe Mary is the Mother of God.   But she is in no way equal to God, nor do we pray to her or anyone other than God (which includes Jesus.)  We "ask" Mary to pray for us.  We petition her to "go to her son and intercede to Him on our behalf."  We do this because she is "blessed", as is stated in the Gospel of St. Luke, which is where the Ave Maria, or Hail Mary originates.   It is quite like me asking a friend to pray for me when I am having medical testing or surgery performed.  I am not praying to the friend to heal me, I am only requesting that my friend pray (to God) to help me through my ordeal.
 
I hope this is of some interest and help to you.
 
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Based on my belief, and this is also the belief of most Protestants, I would say, yes, I do believe Mary is the Mother of God.   But she is in no way equal to God, nor do we pray to her or anyone other than God (which includes Jesus.)  We "ask" Mary to pray for us.  We petition her to "go to her son and intercede to Him on our behalf."  We do this because she is "blessed", as is stated in the Gospel of St. Luke, which is where the Ave Maria, or Hail Mary originates.   It is quite like me asking a friend to pray for me when I am having medical testing or surgery performed.  I am not praying to the friend to heal me, I am only requesting that my friend pray (to God) to help me through my ordeal.
 
Just a simple question. Who did Adam, Abraham, Moses prayed to before God The Triune were born?
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Based on my belief, and this is also the belief of most Protestants, I would say, yes, I do believe Mary is the Mother of God.   But she is in no way equal to God, nor do we pray to her or anyone other than God (which includes Jesus.)  We "ask" Mary to pray for us.  We petition her to "go to her son and intercede to Him on our behalf."  We do this because she is "blessed", as is stated in the Gospel of St. Luke, which is where the Ave Maria, or Hail Mary originates.   It is quite like me asking a friend to pray for me when I am having medical testing or surgery performed.  I am not praying to the friend to heal me, I am only requesting that my friend pray (to God) to help me through my ordeal.
 
Just a simple question. Who did Adam, Abraham, Moses prayed to before God The Triune were born?
 
Hi Nur,
 
People from the times of the Old Testament prayed to God, but they knew (it was revealed to them), that a Messiah would be born.  They were fully aware that He was coming in the future.
 
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Originally posted by PattyaMainer PattyaMainer wrote:

...As far as Mary being the Mother of God, Yes I do believe she is the Mother of God, because as a Catholic I believe in the Holy Trinity.  In the Trinity, there are not three separate Gods as many mistakenly think we believe......there are three totally unique entities, which join together to form ONE God.  There is God, the first person of the Trinity.   Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, and the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity.  These three unite to form the triune Godhead. 
 
 To Patty
 
Let us look at Mark 12:29 "The first of all the commandments is, Here, O Israel:  The Lord our God is one Lord."  If trinity was a valid belief, then Mark 12:29 would have said "God is three in one".
 
 
Originally posted by PattyaMainer PattyaMainer wrote:

Based on my belief, and this is also the belief of most Protestants, I would say, yes, I do believe Mary is the Mother of God.   But she is in no way equal to God, nor do we pray to her or anyone other than God (which includes Jesus.)  We "ask" Mary to pray for us.  We petition her to "go to her son and intercede to Him on our behalf."  We do this because she is "blessed", as is stated in the Gospel of St. Luke, which is where the Ave Maria, or Hail Mary originates.   It is quite like me asking a friend to pray for me when I am having medical testing or surgery performed.  I am not praying to the friend to heal me, I am only requesting that my friend pray (to God) to help me through my ordeal.
 
I hope this is of some interest and help to you.
 
Patty
 
 You should directly ask God without any intermediarier.
 
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
While, its important for couples to learn about each other and learn if they are compatible, its highly suggested that dates are done within groups and that couples avoid being in situations that can lead to breaking the Law of Chasity as it is called in our Church. - Here is another example of a non-universality of Christianity.
 
Dear Nur, my Church believes all other Christians have fallen away from the truth and that we are the only correct Church.  So in a way, the other sects of Christianity can be non-Universal, they are fallen and astray.  You can say the same about Islam.  Sunni, Sufi, Salafi, Shia, Ismaili.... Scholars giving out opinions that are contradictory....  It is human failing to want to interpret God's word for one's own desires.  That's why I am blessed to have a Prophet always at the head of my Church to keep us on the right path.

Covering oneself is only on aspect of a multi-faceted lifestyle.  Nur brings up Rebekkah...In the time of Rebbekkah, if a man was found guilty of rape, his punishment was to marry the victim.  Women were not allowed to sit upon the furniture and had to sequester themselves during their period and priests could not marry divorcees or widows because they had to have a virgin.  These laws do not apply to Christians, only the ultra Orthodox Jews.
 
Sorry Angela, The Bible is for whom actually? Is it for Christians or is it for Jews? From here I deduce that, Christians revere the Bible, but at the same time only selects a few laws for themselves while a few are reserved for the Jews?

Well, this is such a tricky question.  Jesus came and brought a new law.  Therefore, only the testaments that came after are specific to the Christians.  You have to understand.  Unlike the Quran who has one Revelator and was handed down by one Prophet.  The Bible covers 3000+ years and many different Prophets.  A large portion of it was kept in Oral Tradition for centuries before it was placed to the written word and even much of that has been lost in translator, corrupted over time or even whole portions have been lost.  The 66 books of the Bible you see today are 66 different books gathered together and decided on by a bunch of old priests.  Its not the entirety of the word and its merit was not necessarily divine.  They even decided which versions of the Books made it in and destroyed all others.  None of these men were Prophets.  The "Bible" is not considered to be flawless by most intellectuals. 
My Church believes this was part of the reason that the other Churches fell from the true ways and why we have our Book of Mormon.  It was preserved by the Hand of God and brought forth by our Prophet Joseph Smith.   We refer to that for the final say on our laws because its considered more pure.  Thus, You will get a completely different answer from me on this matter than other Christians.  
 
We also have the concept of freewill and freechoice.  If a Christian choses not to be Christian anymore, it is on their immortal soul.  The Christian community will pray for their return and for their soul, but there is no specific punishment (save shunning in certain communities like the Amish) for apostacy. 
 If they choose to return, this is a celebrated thing and they are in most cases accepted back with love and forgiveness.
In response to the paragraph above, I would like to quote from http://www.alislam.org/books/apostacy/2.html

Your link didn't work for me.  However, there have been enough death sentences handed out and even members of this community who have argued that apostasy is a death sentence if the person does not repent and revert back to Islam.
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