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From your post it appears that you have not bothered to read the Hadith.
Abosait, to be frank, I did not read the link that you gave, however, I am very well conversed with this Hadith as this Hadith is very important because it stress on Ihsaan, which is the basis of Tasawwuf.
 
"It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him,"
 
Remember Rasulullah when he prayed, he was oblivious of his surroundings, until his feet became swollen and his beard got so wet? The reason was he 'saw' Allah. Seeing in this case is not in the physical sense, but with one of the sifah that Allah had given the soul, that is Basar - the ability to see. Whatever Rasulullah a human being could do, we also have the potential of doing it. Though not as perfect as Habibullah - The Beloved of Allah.
 
"If there was any provision for any man made concepts like tasawwuf or Sufism in deen, Allah and His messenger would have told us"
Allah and His Rasul did. Sufism is not something that is totally alien from Islam. What does Islam mean? It means - SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH. Being a student of Sufism, does that mean you do not submit to Allah? That you do not follow Rasulullah?
 
I suppose you fail to notice that the authour clearly considers Islam and Sufism as two different beliefs and sites some 65 points commonly desisted by the followers of these two groups.
 
I have a feeling that you must have misinterpret these words. There are so many links, please relink for me so that I can reread again.

As I told you earlier, a Hindu or a Sikh or a Sufi might  be doing some good deeds  which have been  made compulsory in Islam but that does not entitle you to call  the great Islamic scholars  by names other than the name Muslim.
 
Again I would like to reiterate the meaning of Muslim.
ONE WHO BELIEVES IN ALLAH THE CREATOR OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER - THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A HUMAN BEING.
ONE WHO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF ALLAH.
Is there anything in Sufism that negate this statement?
 
Abosait, I had elaborated on the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Tasawwuf. Perhaps you can enlighten and elaborate to us in the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Shariah.
 
Till next time,
Assalamualaikum.
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Assalamualaikum Abosait.

....................sufism is the core of Islamic belief. It is to purify the soul from all kinds of unseen illness like, anger, ujub, riya, kibr, tyranny, envy, miserliness, coward, all the blemishes of the nafs .....................


..............I had elaborated on the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Tasawwuf. Perhaps you can enlighten and elaborate to us in the meaning of Ihsaan in terms of Shariah.....



Wa alaikum assalaam wa Rahmatullah,

Do you want those outside the fold of Islaam and those Muslims who have not red and understood the Qur'aan to believe in your false claim that the Qur'aan and Sunnah have not shown any method of Purification of self which has necessitated  borrowing those remedies from Hinduism, Budhism, Sikhism and the like in the name of Sufism?

Whereas Allah s.w.t. has completed the Deen and the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam has conveyed to us in full.

Please read the complete verse 33:33 and 62:2 and you will understand that Allah purifies one who follows the Qur'an, the Islamic Laws and jurisprudence and also follows the Sunnah, legal ways, orders, acts of worship etc. of Prophet Muhammed Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

Allah s.w.t. says, (translation of the meaning)

[إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً]

(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.)

Allah then says:

[وَاذْكُـرْنَ مَا يُتْـلَى فِى بُيُوتِكُـنَّ مِنْ ءَايَـتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْــمَةِ]

(And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Ayat of Allah and Al-Hikmah.)

meaning, `act in accordance with that of the Qur'an and Sunnah which Allah revealed to His Messenger in your houses.'

And in 5:41 Allah Subhanahu wa ata'alaa tells us of those whose hearts Allah does not wnt to purify.

Please read those verses (because Shariah is based on the Qur'aan and the Sunnah) and come back for a discussion.




Edited by abosait - 30 November 2008 at 7:24pm
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Dear Abosait,
 
I believe in the Quranic verses that you provided.  As in the ayahs of Al-Quran in regards to solah, we have Rasulullah to show us how to pray the 5 daily prayers. So too are these ayahs that you quoted.
 
Allah s.w.t. says, (translation of the meaning)

[إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً]

(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.)
 
How did Rasulullah show us how to remove Ar-Rijs from us?
 
'And those who perform jihad for Us, We shall certainly guide them in Our ways, and God is surely with the doers of good'[Al Qur'an]
 
The most excellent Jihad, is that for the conquest of self." (Bukhari Shareef)
 
The question now Abosait is, - How does Shariah teach us how to succeed in the conquest of self?
 
Salam.
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Wow. I read this and I see so many provisions [i.e. rules] and schisms in Islam that its hard to conceive that such a belief is �easy.�
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Originally posted by Hyposonic Hyposonic wrote:

Wow. I read this and I see so many provisions [i.e. rules] and schisms in Islam that its hard to conceive that such a belief is �easy.�

 
Whether we like it or not, we are born to seek Allah - God, The Creator of the Whole Universe. Some seeing the destination to God  thru a straight path, some following the crooked path, some going blindly with eyes closed while some do not bother whether there is a destination or not.
 
For some who are on the straight path, had found a short cut thru using the 7 sifahs of Allah that Allah had gifted to men. Deeper tasawwuf is knowledge of the secrets of the unseen.
 
This debate is not for those who do not believe that there is a destination after life.
 
Salam.
 
 
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
For some who are on the straight path, had found a short cut thru using the 7 sifahs of Allah that Allah had gifted to men. 


Any proof from the Islamic sources (Qur'an and sunnah) for your above statement?
Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



Deeper tasawwuf is knowledge of the secrets of the unseen.


The secrets fo the unseen are with Allah alone. None can penetrate into the secrets of the unseen. Even the Prophets could see only what Allah had revealed to them and had no knowledge of the unseen (gaib). Thus anyone who claims to have knowledge of the unseen is a liar as can be seen from the following verses of the Qur'an.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

�Say: �None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (unseen)  except Allaah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected�[al-Naml 27:65] 

�And with Him are the keys of the Ghayb (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in the land and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but He knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record�[al-An�aam 6:59] 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained these keys as referring to five things which are mentioned in Soorat Luqmaan, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

�Verily, Allaah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allaah is All‑Knower, All‑Aware (of things)�
[Luqmaan 31:34]. 

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (hadeeth no. 4477) that �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said:

�Whoever tells you that he knows what will happen tomorrow is lying.�

Then she recited,

�No person knows what he will earn tomorrow.� 

It was narrated that �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said:

Some people asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about fortune-tellers, and he said:

�They are nothing.�

They said:

O Messenger of Allaah, they say something and it comes true.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

�That is a word of truth which the jinni snatches and cackles into the ear of his familiar like the cackling of a hen, and they mix more than one hundred lies with it.� Narrated by al-Bukhaari (7561). 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained how the jinn steal this word. He said:

��when our Lord, may His name be blessed and exalted, decrees some matter, the bearers of the Throne glorify Him, then the people of heaven who are closest to them glorify Him, until the tasbeeh reaches the people of the lowest heaven. Then those who are nearest to the bearers of the Throne say: What did your Lord say? And they tell them what He said. And the people of heaven ask one another for the news, until the news reaches the lowest heaven. Then the eavesdropping jinn snatch what they can and convey it to their familiars. What they narrated as they heard it is true, but they add lies to it.� Narrated by Muslim (2229).





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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

 
...........Whether we like it or not, we are born to seek Allah - God, The Creator of the Whole Universe. ....................

 


That statement of yours is not from the teachings of Islam. Please tell me which religion teaches that.

Allah has has clearly taught mankind through the Prophets about Himself and has instructed mankind through those Prophets that we should worship Him alone.

According to Islam the purpose of creation as taught to us in the Qur'an and  Sunnah is to worship Allah alone.







Edited by abosait - 01 December 2008 at 2:33am
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Originally posted by abosait abosait wrote:



Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


�

...........Whether we like it or not, we are born to seek Allah - God, The Creator of the Whole Universe. ....................
�
That statement of yours is not from the teachings of Islam. Please tell me which religion teaches that.Allah
has has clearly taught mankind through the Prophets about Himself and
has instructed mankind through those Prophets that we should worship
Him alone.According to Islam the purpose of creation as taught to us in the Qur'an and� Sunnah is to worship Allah alone.


DEAR ABOSAIT sir,
Be rational to Nur Illahi. What is wrong with that general statement. I don't see grave mistakes when she said that. I, being a human being, a subject of the creator, if I ever believe in GOD and any god for that matter, it is only natural that I need to SEEK GOD. Either I made the right choice of my GOD is depending on how well I use my akal and to look for the signs and the religoius 'literature' there is to support my believe and not forgetting with the GRACE of GOD who wish to save me and guide me as per his gracious WILL. BUT the final chapter of my presence on this earth and hereafter will be ME facing the TRUE GOD who is supposed to be I believe Ever Powerful, Ever Living and Ever Grand in all aspects. That GOD is still WHO EVER HE IS according to my believe.

We can say a millions words to stick to our a simple but unreasonable points, yet there are another 3 Billion over human beings out there who don't follow us muslims. Why are we so nitty gritty with our ideas which do not affect one's akidah.
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