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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



................I know I lacked quoting the Quran and Hadiths, it is not that there is not any to back up my claim, but I do not have the time to search for  it. InshaAllah, when time permits, I will produce some for your satisfaction.....................


Nur Ilahi, you don�t have time to refer to the Qur�an and Hadith to verify whether what you Shaikh has said is right or wrong.

You have quoted from Ashraf Ali Thanvi who was an advocate of Wahdat al-Wajood.

Here are some excerpts from the writings of the same buzurg:

1. It is mentioned in Aamaal-e-Qur'aani, p. 134 by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [published by Jasim Book Depot, Urdu Bazaar, Jama Masjid, Delhi] that if a woman has excessive menstrual bleeding, the verse (Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144) should be written on three different pieces of paper, one tied on her right and the other on her left and the third piece of paper with the Qur'�nic verse to be hung below the naval. This verse of the Qur'aan, "Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful." [Surah Al-'Imran: 3:144]

2. When Shah Waliullah was in his mother�s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands (too) appeared for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul-Aqtab (Wali of Walis) in your womb (Hikayat-e-Awlia, p. 17 Ashraf Ali Thanwi) What a break-through

3. The holy messenger came to Shah Waliullah (in the 18 century!) and said, �Why do you worry? Your children are the same as mine.� (Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayat-ul-Awlia)

4. Disrespect to a monk is more perilous than disrespect to Allaah. (Mulla Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Al-Ashraf, p.23, Nov. 1991)

5. Say "Fazabooha" before you cut a melon, or any thing else (for that matter), you will find it sweet. (Aamale-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

6. Recite the verse "When the heaven will split.� Write it (on a piece of paper) and tie to the left thigh of any woman in labor, child birth will become easy. Cut the hair of that woman and 
burn them between her thighs, childbirth will be easier still. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

7. During labor pains let the woman hold Mawatta Imam Malik for instant delivery. (Aamal-e-Qurani, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

8. See what �Hakeemul Ummat� Thanwi says! Keep reciting "Al Mughni" during sex and the woman will love you. (same book, Ashraf Ali Thanwi)

Plase leave these �Buzurgs� alone and come to Qur�an and Sunnah if you believe in the Day of Judgement.


Edited by abosait - 02 December 2008 at 9:17am
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Shocked Interesting . . . . .
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

By the way Chrysalis, do you realise that we are communicating via our 'inside"?
 
Wa'alaikum salaam Sis. . .
 
No, Im afraid I dont know what you mean. . . .
 
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Bro Abosait,

It surprise me that you are finding faults with the author, instead of finding the truth in what Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi wrote. You did not even attempt to counter debate one single fact that were written. When I checked wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ali_Thanwi I could not find this kind of accusation by you. This remind me of the western style of slandering which is abhorred by Islam - If you cannot refute the facts that a person brought forth, then find faults or slander the person. This is precisely what Tasawwuf is for. To clear our Souls from these ailments that darken the souls. Tasawwuf enables one to purify his/her soul. Back to its original self - The Fitrah.
 
 I remember there was a saying that says - Do not look at who is saying, but look at what is being said. Obviously, you cannot find any fault in his teachings, so you have to slander him. To be just to Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi, the least you can do is quote the website that you get this accusations from.
 
As requested, below are the verses of AlQuran and the hadiths of Rasululullah in regards to Tasawwuf.
 
It was related by al-Bukhari.It is said in the Hadith al-Qudsi that Allah has said: "I was a Hidden Treasure, and I longed that I should be known. So I Created creation, that I might be known."

Allah Most High says: "He who is hostile to a friend of Mine I declare war against. My slave approaches Me with nothing more beloved to Me than what I have made obligatory upon him, and My slave keeps drawing nearer to Me with voluntary works until I love him. And when I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his sight with which he sees, his hand with which he seizes, and his foot with which he walks. If he asks me, I will surely give to him, and if he seeks refuge in Me, I will surely protect him" (Fath al-Bari, 11.340-41, hadith 6502);
  
"Allah has truly blessed the believers, for He has sent them a messenger of themselves, who recites His signs to them and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom" (Koran 3:164),
  
"Truly, Allah does not look at your outward forms and wealth, but rather at your hearts and your works" (Sahih Muslim, 4.1389: hadith 2564).

One who Cleansed his ego achieved salvation (S.91 V. 9)

One who spoilt his nafs became mislead (S.91 V. 10)

There is an analogy that well describes you. You are like someone who is learning to swim by clinging to your buoy (Al-Quran and Hadiths). You just cannot let go these two, because if you do so, you will be drowned. A person who is an expert in swimming, learns from using the buoy, but later will let it go and swim independently and confidently. But that does not mean that he does not need the buoy, he still needs it as it is his life saving device.
 
Till next time..
 
Salam.
 


Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 03 December 2008 at 4:49am
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Originally posted by Chrysalis Chrysalis wrote:

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

By the way Chrysalis, do you realise that we are communicating via our 'inside"?
 
Wa'alaikum salaam Sis. . .
 
No, Im afraid I dont know what you mean. . . .
 
Regards,
 
 
 
Sis Chrysalis,
 
Let me ask you a few questions.
 
Who is it that is reading my posts without opening the mouth or moving the tongue? Who is it that could hear my words? Is it your ears? Who is it that is looking at my words now? Is it your eyes? Who is it that enables your fingers to type on the keyboard? Is it your hands? Who?
 
Till next time...
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

t surprise me that you are finding faults with the author, instead of finding the truth in what Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi wrote. You did not even attempt to counter debate one single fact that were written. When I checked wikipedia

How is the post abt Ashraf Ali Thanvi slanderous? There isnt a single personal attack on him, simply his statements - which really are outrageous! Isnt it the duty of a Muslim to warn against falsehood? Even it be from another muslim?
 
Or do you think there is nothing wrong with his opinions and statements? (which any muslim has a right to analyse and confirm, without it bieng slanderous)
 
Also . . . I find it amazing that you would prefer wikipedia's info over actual references of page numbers from a book?
 
 
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 I remember there was a saying that says - Do not look at who is saying, but look at what is being said. Obviously, you cannot find any fault in his teachings, so you have to slander him. To be just to Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi, the least you can do is quote the website that you get this accusations from.
 
 
With all due respect Nur. . . but what you said goes against Islamic teachings. . . because in Islam - before believing any person's statements or opinions or considering them accurate/worthy, one HAS to look at the person as well as the words. Because the person's actions and character has everything to do with what they say. Which is why in Islam, a person with a tendency to fabricate or lie is not considered a good witness! It is also a criteria that Muhaddith used to use when compiling ahadith. They would leave out ahadith narrated by a person with known character flaws. (lying/fabrication etc) 
 
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There is an analogy that well describes you. You are like someone who is learning to swim by clinging to your buoy (Al-Quran and Hadiths). You just cannot let go these two, because if you do so, you will be drowned. A person who is an expert in swimming, learns from using the buoy, but later will let it go and swim independently and confidently. But that does not mean that he does not need the buoy, he still needs it as it is his life saving device.
 
This is exactly what is wrong with sufism. Straying past actual, pertinent matters and circling around irrelevant hodge podge. There is so much wrong with the above highlighted statements - i dont even know where to start. Even the Sahaba never let go of Quran and Hadith - no matter how good or perfect/confident a swimmer they were. A good muslim is never 'confident' of thier holiness/goodness/spiritualness....and so never lets go of the 'buoy'.
 
Regards,
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Bro Abosait,

It surprise me that you are finding faults with the author, instead of finding the truth in what Hadrat Ashraf Ali Thanvi wrote. You did not even attempt to counter debate one single fact that were written. When I checked wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashraf_Ali_Thanwi I could not find this kind of accusation by you.................
 


Did I say it is from Wiki?

I started the quote by clearly mentiong where you can find it. It is from what he himself wrote and I have given the name of the Publishers also.

It is mentioned in Aamaal-e-Qur'aani, p. 134 by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi [published by Jasim Book Depot, Urdu Bazaar, Jama Masjid, Delhi]
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


.......................You are like someone who is learning to swim by clinging to your buoy (Al-Quran and Hadiths). You just cannot let go these two, because if you do so, you will be drowned.....................


Sure. No one should let go the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


...............A person who is an expert in swimming, learns from using the buoy, but later will let it go and swim independently and confidently............


A Mo'min would not think of leaving the Qur'an and Sunnah even for a moment.

Only the Shaitan and his desciples will let go the Qur'an and Sunnah and try to live "independantly".  and "confidently".

Some Sufis show disrespect to the Quran and Sunnah to please the Shaitan (deviant Jinn) and get favours from him such as the "spiritual healing" and "remote healing".





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