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Nur_Ilahi 
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 Posted: 08 December 2008 at 6:31am |
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Dear Astroman and Nur Ilahi, That was exactly the reply I expected from you since you are not the first of the Sufis I am confronting. Excuse me, Astroman and I are not Sufis. We are only interested in the teachings of the Sufis. I hope this is very clear to you. I have no time now, but this is what I will state. Allah Most High says in the Holy Qur�an (15:26-29) that when He created man from black mud and fashioned him into the beautiful shape of a human being, and made him complete, HE BREATHED INTO MAN HIS SOUL FROM HIS OWN SOUL. Allah had lent 7 of His Sifahs in our souls. 1. Qudrah - Power 2. Iradhah - Will 3. Ilmu - Knowledge 4. Hayah - Life 5. Samak - The ability to hear 6. Basar - The ability to hear 7. Qalam - The ability of speech/ There are many verses in the Quran that reiterates the power of the Soul. Time is running out. Got to go. Till next time. |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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abosait
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Posted: 10 December 2008 at 2:07am |
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And that tells me why you are quoting from their writings and not copying from the Qur'an or the translation of the meanings of the verses. Now please read what actually is in Surah Al-Hijr (15) 26-29. The translation of the meanings are from Tafsir Ibn Kathir. [وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَـنَ مِن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ
مَّسْنُونٍ - وَالْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَـهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ ] 26. And
indeed, We created man from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud.) 27. And
the Jinn, We created earlier from the smokeless flame of fire.) The Substances from which Mankind and Jinns were created Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid and Qatadah
said that Salsal means dry mud. The apparent meaning is similar to the Ayah: [خَلَقَ الإِنسَـنَ مِن صَلْصَـلٍ كَالْفَخَّارِ - وَخَلَقَ
الْجَآنَّ مِن مَّارِجٍ مِّن نَّارٍ ] He created man (Adam) from
sounding clay like the potter's clay, And He created the Jinns from a smokeless
flame of fire. (55:14-15) It was also reported from Mujahid
that, [صَلْصَـلٍ] �dried
(sounding) clay� means
"putrid'', but it is more appropriate to interpret an Ayah with another
Ayah. [مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ] �of
altered mud� means the
dried clay that comes from mud, which is soil. "Altered'' here means
smooth. [وَالْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَـهُ مِن قَبْلُ] �And
the Jinn, We created earlier�
means before creating humans. [مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ] �from
the smokeless flame of fire�.
Ibn `Abbas said, "It is the
smokeless flame that kills.'' Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi said that Shu`bah narrated
to them from Abu Ishaq, who said: "I visited `Umar Al-Asamm when he was
sick, and he said: `Shall I not tell you a Hadith that I heard from `Abdullah
bin Mas`ud He said: `This smokeless flame is one of the seventy parts of the
smokeless fire from which the Jinn where created. Then he recited, [وَالْجَآنَّ خَلَقْنَـهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ
] �And
the Jinn, We created earlier from the smokeless flame of fire� The following is found in the
Sahih, �خُلِقَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ مِنْ نُورٍ، وَخُلِقَتِ الْجَانُّ
مِنْ مَارِجٍ مِنْ نَارٍ، وَخُلِقَ آدَمُ مِمَّا وُصِفَ لَكُم� �The
angels were created from light, the Jinn were created from a smokeless flame of
fire, and Adam was created from that which has been described to you.� The Ayah is intended to point out
the noble nature, good essence and pure origin of Adam. [وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَـلِقٌ
بَشَرًا مِّن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ - فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُ وَنَفَخْتُ
فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُواْ لَهُ سَـجِدِينَ - فَسَجَدَ الْمَلَـئِكَةُ كُلُّهُمْ
أَجْمَعُونَ - إِلاَّ إِبْلِيسَ أَبَى أَن يَكُونَ مَعَ السَّـجِدِينَ - قَالَ
يإِبْلِيسُ مَا لَكَ أَلاَّ تَكُونَ مَعَ السَّـجِدِينَ - قَالَ لَمْ أَكُن
لاًّسْجُدَ لِبَشَرٍ خَلَقْتَهُ مِن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ ] 28. And (remember) when your Lord
said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from dried (sounding)
clay of altered mud. '' 29. "So, when I have
fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) of My spirit (the soul which
I created for him,) then fall down, prostrating yourselves before him.'' |
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Posted: 10 December 2008 at 5:56am |
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Assalamualaikum Brother. I repeat here this verse from Allah Himself - Allah Most High says in the Holy Qur�an (15:26-29) that when He created man from black mud and fashioned him into the beautiful shape of a human being, and made him complete, According to your post above, you are only describing and quoting verses from the Alquran and hadiths about the creations of our physical part. And you are not at all wrong there. Now is there any explanation or elaboration on the second part where Allah said HE BREATHED INTO MAN HIS SOUL FROM HIS OWN SOUL.
The proof of tasawwuf dear brother is all within ourselves. Tasawwuf needs alot of self reflection (Muhasabah) - Literally meaning reckoning, settling the accounts and self-interrogation, Muh�sabah (self-criticism) is that a believer always reviews whatever he says and does every day or even every hour, good or bad, right or wrong. He also thanks God for the good he has done and tries to erase his sins and deviations by asking God to forgive him and he amends his errors and sins by repentance and remorse. Muh�sabah is the very important and serious attempt of a believer to assert himself in his loyalty to God.
And Muraqabah - Self Supervision -
Meaning watching, superintending, controlling and living in consciousness of being controlled, mur�qabah has been defined by the sufis as setting one�s heart solely on God without attachment to anything other than Him and holding one�s carnal self back from all forbidden things and acts in the conviction that the Divine Knowledge encompasses all things, and living in accordance with Divine commandments. We can also interpret mur�qabah as trying to observe whatever God wills and leading a life in utmost sincerity, in the consciousness of being always supervised by God Almighty. This is possible through conviction that the Almighty sees whatever man does, hears whatever he says, knows whatever he conceives of and occurs to him and records it whatever issues from man. In the verse, In whatever state you may be, and whichever part of the Qur�an you recite, and whatever deed you do, We are witnesses over you when you are deeply engrossed therein (10.61), the Qur�an reminds us of this. If you read this article sincerely, you will observe that tasawwuf is really about ihsan. What did you define ihsan in the beginning of this thread? =
In Islam, Ihsaan is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or excellence, in worship, such that Muslims try to worship God (Arabic Allah) as if they see Him, and although they cannot see Him(Due to believing Allah is not made of materials), they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.
And that tells me why you are quoting from their writings and not copying from the Qur'an or the translation of the meanings of the verses
I had numerous times quoted from the AlQuran and Hadiths, but I guess you are not looking with your inner eye only your physical one. That is why it escapes your attention. The more reason you should learn about tasawwuf my brother. It cleanses ones soul and make you feel close to Our Creator. Anyway, The Quran is only a guide, the whole of this universe is written in the Quran, but only clues here and there. It is we who have to seek more using these holy verses as our guidelines. Like what AlQuran did to science. Same with Tasawwuf.
There is a Sufi saying that goes - Know yourself before you know God.
Salam. |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Posted: 11 December 2008 at 6:43am |
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But Nur Ilahi says it is the Ruh that is talking/hearing/typing. In support of my claim I had quoted the following verse which proves that in this life our mouths speak whereas in the hereafter, on the day of judgement, our mouths will be sealed but hands will speak. (Not Ruh as claimed by Nur.)
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Posted: 11 December 2008 at 7:00am |
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You are not bothering to read the Verse even though I have copied and pasted it here but are quoting the misinterpretation from Sufis. Still I dont know why you do not wish to be honoured by the title "Sufi". And here is that misinterpretation. Please compare it with the Verse and the translation of meanings from any authentic translation/tafsir.
Hey, Nur----what are you trying to prove? Animals also hear. They speak in their own language. They also see, think and act wisely.
Kindly provide reference such as chapter/Ayat number etc. |
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Posted: 11 December 2008 at 7:20am |
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Thanks Nur. You have proved that Sufis belittle the Qur'an and Sunnah. |
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Posted: 11 December 2008 at 6:24pm |
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"lent", the past tense and past participle of the verb "lend". transitive verb And once someone lends a thing to someone else it remains with the one to whom it is lent untill it is returned back. You say "Allah lent 7 of His Sifahs..." Now my question to Nur is "if what you say is true has He taken back those 7 sifahs or is He still living without them as He has lent them?" (Astagfirullah). Edited by abosait - 11 December 2008 at 6:26pm |
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Posted: 11 December 2008 at 11:38pm |
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In my opinion the body organ without spiritual guidance will only act according to the program in it. We know there are no mouth in our hands or feet therefore they don't "speak".
In the judgement day and/or after it we can not lie - because our ability to manipulate answers will be removed. In short, every accusation to the accused will be replied by accused with physical acts in mimicking what they used to do.
Regardless of what religious association the person concern belong to formerly, they will act as they used to do. If they were good people they will do good. If they were bad they will do bad.
Just my opinion. |
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