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Yes it might and that is why translators used the multitude of manuscipts to check and double check verses.
 
I am not sure where you are getting your information, but it is not all true.
 
All the manuscripts concerning Holy Scripture that could be saved have been saved.  As manuscripts, letters wore out they were copied.
 
The main message of the Bible has not been changed. 
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Yes it might and that is why translators used the multitude of manuscipts to check and double check verses.
 
I am not sure where you are getting your information, but it is not all true.
 
All the manuscripts concerning Holy Scripture that could be saved have been saved.  As manuscripts, letters wore out they were copied.
 
The main message of the Bible has not been changed. 
 
Of course it has. It has been radically changed, if you believe Christianity. In the Old Testament the main message of the Bible was to fear and obey God or be judged and punished accordingly.  In the New Testament apparently all you have to do is believe in Jesus, what we are supposed to believe isn't really clear, and you will be "saved".
 
Somewhere between the OT and the NT, God lost complete control of everything and man was no longer responsible to God for his own deeds and suddenly Jesus  had "the power". 
 
The old Laws given to man by God no longer mattered, the old covenants, most of them perpetual covenants stated by God to be for all of time, no longer mattered, and man doesn't even have to directly ask God for forgiveness anymore, we should pray to an intermediary even though God specifically stated in the first of the Ten Commandments: "You shall have no other Gods before me".  Of course, we might have missed the part that said: except Jesus....
 
 
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What are you talking about?  The old Laws of GOD do matter, we have the 10 commandments.  We also have the most important commandments mentioned by Jesus.
 
What Muslims don't understand is that following Laws and rituals don't necessarily make you godly.  What is in your heart is what matters.
 
LOL!  Christians do have just one GOD.  Our perception of GOD is just a bit different.
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"We also have the most important commandments mentioned by Jesus."
 
Yes: Mark 12:28And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

 30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

 32And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

 33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

"LOL!  Christians do have just one GOD.  Our perception of GOD is just a bit different."

So, when you pray for forgiveness are you praying to God the father or God the son?

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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I place my soul is in the Hands of my GOD not a mere man.
 
Good, that is exactly what as Muslims we do. And by the way you don't hand your soul, God has hold of our souls all the time whether one believe in Him or not.
 
And of course to make things clear,  for us God means God, where holy ghost and Jesus are not included with Him in godhead. They were God's creations and not themselves gods.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Youdon't have as arguement there.  The Bible is about understanding, not just memorizing in a language that you may not understand. 

LOL!!  Putting the language in to something everyone can understand is the beauty of the Bible translations.
 
Most people that have the "The Everyday Bible" understand that it is just that an everyday common language Bible.  More translations mean a deeper understanding.
 
 
Each year Solomon received gold weighing 666 talents, not including revenues from merchants and traders and the Arabian kings and governors of the land.  This equals about 50,000 pounds of gold.  This would be about equal to the weight of ten golden Chevrolet Suburbans or heavy duty pickup trucks.  If gold is valued at $250 per troy ounce, this part of Solomon's yearly income had a value of $182 million. 
 
 
YOU know the equivalent is some "50,000" pounds - but not all are aware that it ORIGINALLY was written as "666" - - - a very pertinent number of a man which equates with the prophecies in REVELATION. 
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Not many Christians bring out this verse in the Old Testament [I Kings 10:14] to stipulate the meaning of the infamous "666" in Revelation/Apocalypse [13:18]. 
 
All seem to equate it with a form of numerology, rather than a hint to the 40-year old kingdom of Solomon.  Great in its time.  But extinct.  His empire was the most admired in the old world - the "power" and "wisdom" however great, DID NOT afford him his "kingdom" on earth. 
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

If someone translate a book from a translation, the meaning may be lost due the different ideas of the translators.
 
When translating the Quran, translators need to understand the language of the Quran and using this as the basic or foundation for translating. If a person translate what Asad wrote or Sheikh Yusof Qardawi wrote, the meaning may be totally different from the originals.
 
People translate books into other languages using the original as their foundation.  But this is not true for the Bible.
 
How very true.  And this is the main reason why the Quran will endure.
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