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jibreel
Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 263 |
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Sisters can also refuse to Marry if they do not want to., most islamic marriages are more protected by these fatal relationships you mentioned then any other types around the world., would you argue with ALLAH?
Islam protects Sisters from what you just posted, the couple is usually under scrutiny for getting married for the right reasons and Islam discourages marriages like this if they can not meet the criteria.
allowed in ISlam, its very rare and un orthodox to, this is your fear speaking or someone attacking Islam., who ever did this is not Muslim. If both the Brother and Sister do there duty as Muslims itis all fine Jenni., you marry under Islamic guides then it works.
in islamic marriages, what other marriages do you find more strict then Islam's which protects Sisters even after devorce? The rest that you keep mentioning is typical fears Sisters have who never married or married a kafir.
which is impossible for the woman to carry out. Polygamy works very well under Islamic rulings like i mentioned., that the Sisters have been provided well, stable to keep there faith and the grooms above other lower degrading desires. Islam has even influenced the West with alimony or other Rights for woman, of-course been that they are not Brothers or Sisters in the west these rules are abused and the consequences show for them. ALLAH knows best how to protect many single sisters and woman out there who out number brothers, who will take care of this sisters? So 1-You can marry up to 4 as long as your supporting and love them equally under strict islamic rules., This superseded the 100+ wives, or mistresses which was allowed in the bible. The Qur'an is the only book in the world that limits wives, raises there dignity in society and prohibits abuse of the oath to marriage., life is very hard and everyone knows it, we all also make mistakes but the Islamic guidelines are not responsible for the mistakes, the people are. WHY ALL THIS? It is the point of "AVOIDING DIVORCE" ALLAH DOES NOT like devorce. If a brother decides to divorce a wife, he has to fallow a even more strict path Islamically. My only question is does a brother have to treat the prior wives equally in in affection and love if this is the reason he marries another sister?, relationships do fade. So if they need to move on peacefully and marry another sister to avoid fornication and start a new family, to support and provide for prior sisters is not sin, its a blessing for the sisters if the relationship fails in the first place. Edited by jibreel |
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human
Guest Group Joined: 25 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 120 |
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In my experience even parents find it difficult to love their own children equally. So it is hard to believe that there are men who can love multiple wives equally. Also, I want at least one lady on this forum say, I wish men would ask their first wife for her consent before taking on another. And perhaps polyandry would make sense in certain cases (say the husband is sterile). So why don't muslims support it? Be that as it may, that's why I believe that religious books should restrict themselves to a few fundamental good deeds, and leave the rest to people to decide what is best for them. Because these things change with time and locale. In practice, that's really what happens. For example, all these quotes from Koran are well and good, but many would be illegal in countries like USA. Peace, Human. |
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Jenni
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Jibreel, I understand what you are saying but listen to this. There are
most parts of the world where the proportion to men and women are equal
except certian regions like Irag or Afghanistan where more men have
been killed in war. In places like Saudi Arabia where some Muslims have
more money and can marry more than one wife, the chance for poorer men
to marry is much more diffucult. A rich guy might have 2,3 or even 4
wives and a lower class worker guy might not be able to find a wife at
all, leading him to sin. I know many people who say this is common in
the Gulf states and in some other parts of the world. Even here in
America, brothers are having a hard time finding a wife, so good for
you, if you marry more than one. What good men you are, being selfish
and not leaving any companion for your brothers!!!! By the way in India
and China the Population of women is Declining. Soon there will be more
men than women in the world. Good luck boys, I hope your rich!!!
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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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jibreel
Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 263 |
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Peace
Well if your used to the U.S.A. you really have not experienced a love like Islam or other people who are true to there faith., i understand and heard this before. But history has proved that men abused this in western religions by having hundreds of children like J.S. Bach or King Solomon (PBUH) for example but this abuse calls for redemption.
The first wife should always Marry with the promise before the witnesses that the husband always asks her permission unless they do not love each other any more later and there is a seperation. Its a duty to ALLAH that comes first though, and very strict for the brothers to support the wives.
Un fortunatly, this is impossible for any human bieng since it envolved having marriages at the same time and supporting the men and feeding children too. Polygamy is not about having several sexual partners as it the non west miss inter-pits it, i say west since India practices polygamy abusively, Polygamy is about been married to several wives at the same time avoiding divorces., no woman can have several houses with several husbands and the babies in different houses at the same time, impossible to do for any human beings., But there is a acceptation to a agreement on the wife's side if she has lots of money and accepts to support her self in the case there is a separation between them and he is going to leave for another woman or she prefers her own place and a devorce.
There was never anything illegal in the Qur'an in the U.S., Islam allows people to worship how they please and with any religion they please, but they can not attack muslims for there faith, especially the way they did to Jesus (PBUH) and others who spoke out against oppression by tyrrants. Polygamy has only been called up in certian countries to be stopped in the recent 80+ years from the fears conservative Catholics had of the growing religion of islam., and to control the population and economy., for Islam means peace and ALLAH rules over life and death. Mormons still practice polygammy in the U.S. so the so called war on islam is and was a secret war all along. Also, the U.S. A has adopted more Islamic laws then any other western countries, -Equal rights, -Freedom of speech, where woman still can not talk to a priest today. -Non discrimination of race or the sexes, I can go on.... Basically the U.S. adopted and exploited these beliefs by mixing them up with a economical system which defers to secure woman's rights., to simply put it, a capitalist society is about the money., not deeds., and certainly not a democracy word by word a fact. Many try to argue with this facts that Islam means peace in society, but they have no evidence to support but that they fit into the pack of hypocrites who fallow conjecture and take false witness, usually from a racial point of view to reject the idea that God created arabs too., so what God is it that created them who could not create me and you then? sound slike Statan's tribe? It is not in anyones right to Judge Islam, Believers (Muslims, Jews or christians) and or even ALLAH ( God )by the mistakes people make., we are all here to over come the tests with abstinence over lusts. I believe Islam's guidelines also prohibit also the arab tribal or religious sect ideas of man made laws like for example "pre marriage arrangements" with the prides face covered Edited by jibreel |
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jibreel
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This is still the woman's rights club in Islam, no matter how much there cultures or money interfere. The woman can decide before the Imam and witnesses and also her Witness friend investigates to make sure her groom can provide, if she decides to marry a poor muslim and accepts a rag as a gift, its her choice to love him., people live in trailer homes and even on the streets in the U.S.A., also remember that Masjids contribute to help the poor young couples start a family if its all agreed to before witnesses, its about a family not sexual partners, i think your mixing up non muslim men here and bad intentions by disbelievers no?.
Well it takes 2 to do this., and fornication is a sin period.
I agree that its hard, especially when some masjids do not allow woman to pray together with the men., or separate rooms. But if Islam is put to practice correctly you would not of even came accross this problem., its a very pure way of life, pure in innocence and higher standards of morals, its a experience if one has never been a muslim., like a heaven on earth.
No sisters are ever for sale., its not America where some choose any terribly ugly alcoholic man for financial security. No one has the power to choose for the sister in a ISLAMIC marriage, not even the IMAM., the whole ceromoney is based around the Sister.
Maybe Chinese men you mean., But it is not necessary at all to even think like this, these countries have laws to prohibit births of girls, ALLAH condems anyone who tries to control life and murders there children, which existed in the Prophets time as well (PBUH)., when baby girls where barried by proud tribal parents who wanted boys. I agree that SISTERS have to speak out if there is a battle of the sexes, its a evil thing period and exists all over western societies where woman get exploited until they are un desireables and subjected to men. It is the right of every sister in Islam to speak out against this., but the battle of the sexes does not exist in Islam, although there are few people who are new to it and think so. The rest about Arabia is culture, not all the people in Islamic countries are muslims and or realy practice, though most do., so yes its expected to hear men abuse this. Edited by jibreel |
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ummsaleh
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Oh my god- A muslim womans worse nightmare. I'm married into a wealthy family in the middle east and I love islam, but i've told my husband that if even thinks to marry i'll leave, and he can have everything, who cares about money. I have so many friends that their husbands have married on them and who do they marry, dancers/ nightclub singers. Their nice American muslim wife having baby after baby covered from head to toe. How can these men use islam? That's why women get angry/ when married men take another wife it's not a widow or older woman/ women from war areas.It's usually a virgin or someone he has fallen in love with. please forgive me i've had too many friends with bad experiences.
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jibreel
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Actually Muslims do not have these types of problems, as i already mentioned how polygamy works in Islam. And the Husband does not get everything, she the sister does.
They do not., and its there choice who they marry and how they dress., if they do not like it they can live outside more stricter areas.
Muslims do not fall in Love with others the way you described it, its not possible., infact they see love as a infactuation, true love is to marry out of piety and make the sacrifise for another by doin Gods will for each other. i think you are mixing up western polygamy issues with islam and or even India., in the west with a capitalist society woman can be oppressed to be subjected to men, where money is everything there is shame. To narrow it down, the crimes against woman are more in the west, here in spain one woman dies everyday from alcoholic abusive catholic husbands., it is a fact. Also in brazil more domestic problems with jealous men beating and killing there woman as well as double standards that they can see others. But the U.S. tops it all with crimes been the highest when it comes to domestic violence, crimes against woman, and even white collar crimes as well. Edited by jibreel |
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ummsaleh
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Oh come on Jibreel I've seen it with my eyes, women left with nothing and no rights. Womens rights in Saudi, lol
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