Mecca Super-Hotel

Hehe, how high can you make a cardboard hotel for the poor?
I get your point..they need good facilities, continued electricity is crucial,soon there will be no lamp oil left [IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align="middle" />

Am only joking of course [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="middle" />

Edited by martha - 07 November 2009 at 8:30am

Salams Bro SteppeNomad
Phew! You had me worried there!
Thanks

martha wrote: Nur, THe Protocols are a proven fraud as abuayisha has already pointed out.

The Protocols of the Evil Dajjal Worshipping Zionists is not a fraud. When you read it, then you know. I would say 90 percent of this evil plan had already been achieved by them. Read it yourself and you will know. They even mentioned something like Christianity would be a failure.  And how true it is now.

Protocol 9
CHRISTIAN YOUTH DESTROYED

10. WE HAVE FOOLED, BEMUSED AND CORRUPTED THE YOUTH OF THE "GOYIM" BY REARING THEM IN PRINCIPLES AND THEORIES WHICH ARE KNOWN TO US TO BE FALSE ALTHOUGH IT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCULCATED.

4:3 ������.This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY
17:2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall act clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.
http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/protocols.htm

martha wrote: And what is this book you refer to? Would so love to read it. Show me the voice of the Prophet stating the same then I will start to listen.

Martha,

I read the book on Makkah and Medina in my language before I went for Hajj 2000. I could not recall the book, but scientifically, everything is circumbulating in an anti-clockwise direction just like this earth circumbulating the sun, just like the Muslims who circumbulate the Kaabah. Perhaps this video may prove to you that the centre of the earth is indeed Makkah Almukarramah.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3457123/the_miracle_of_kaaba/

One  of the prophecies of our dear beloved Prophet Muhammad salallahualaihiwassalam is the end times. In one of the famous hadiths -

"Then tell me about the Hour". He said: "The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner." He said: "Then tell me about its signs." He said: "That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute herdsman competing in constructing lofty buildings.

http://www.40hadith.com/40hadith_en.htm

Among the signs of the Hour mentioned in the hadith Sahih al-Bukhari is �when the destitute (al-buhm) camelherds compete in building tall structures.� Another version in al-Bukhari has: �when the barefoot and the naked are the top leaders (lit. �heads�) of the people.� In the hadith Sahih Muslim: �you shall see the barefoot, naked, indigent (al-`�la) shepherds compete in building tall structures.� Another version in the hadith Muslim states: �when the naked and barefoot are the top leaders of the people.� A third version in the hadith Muslim has: �when you see that the barefoot and naked, the deaf and dumb are the kings of the earth.�

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=678582

martha wrote: OK the zionists as you call them might lead people away, but I don't see the Saudi's encouraging the poor believers to attend the hajj. They will be held accountable for that too.

God is Al-Aleem, Most Knowing, He knows whether we can afford or not. We are not accounted for if we could not afford it as he Al-Adl - Most Just and Ar-Raheem - Most Merciful.  As to the accountability of some the wealthy Saudis, indeed they have to answer to Allah for their heedlessnes.

However I would like to relate my experience when I was in Mecca. There were many trucks full of packet milk distributed to the pilgrims freely courtesy of the wealthy in Saudi. I guess we cannot tar them all with the same brush.

Subhanallah!







Edited by Nur_Ilahi - 07 November 2009 at 6:45pm

Salams Nur,

I did not come to discuss the Protocols in this topic. So I will not. Perhaps you want to start another thread on this? Just an idea. DOn't be offended.

I don't have a problem with the scientific proofs you have mentioned. But the hadiths you quote are not clear in my mind. I understand what I have read, however no where does it say that Mecca will be the last to remain standing.It does however explain the last days well in as much as Mecca will have lofty buildings. In fact to some it might suggest it could be the first to fall, being the centre of humanity? Please do not think I am being disrespectful, I just do not see what you see right now.

It is good that milk is distributed amongst the poor, tho this in itself is probably not enough for adults that are tired after the pilgrimage to Mecca.

And yes, Allah knows if we can afford the hajj or not so we will not be accountable if we cannot. However this does not excuse the lack of help to the poor. Many are blessed with wealth and the Prophet(pbuH) said we should keep what we need and then give it away to the less fortunate. The basics of Islam and our moral duty to humanity seems to have one out the window for the majority. To pay zakat etc is not enough. I would have no qualms, if I was rich, to aid families. Wealth is not evenly distributed and that is our fault as guardians of the earth.