Gay muslims?

ops155 wrote: Sign*Reader wrote: I have decided to edit my previous post... May be he is positioning for some financial gain cuz it is becoming a fashionable behavior, who knows what from an incomplete site! The gays are one of the most well connected crowd in the US. Remember Obama's multi million dollar campaign kick off from the Beverly Hills mansion of his Jewish buddy David Geffen ( Hollywood's big cahoona and openly gay) Being gay is a sickness of the soul... Acting gay and being a real Muslim(not secular, name only, cultural or some enlightened version that US is full of) are mutually exclusive !  Gay behavior is a punishable crime in Quran(4:15,16)... Then who going to read this gay Paki the riot act in the US even if you find him somewhere...as gay he has more legal protection than a common Muslim per se in post 911 environment! Everywhere you look they are gaining power through the Jewish led organizations!http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15726   Only you sign could blame the jews for gay people.

How so you oaf, the blame is when the evidence is lacking...
 you conveniently try to ignore a mile long list of their activists...How come?
May be  American Exceptionalism... (Hubristic European mindset...It is OK to breed ******s out of wedlock...  OK to screw any thing in sight as long as it is consensual, even incest)
It is just not the Jews only in this

ops155 wrote: I have a question for all Muslims... Why is it that you can judge an entire group of peaceful people whom you have never met

Peaceful... as the Brits would say my bloody foot!

Most corruption is not necessarily gunslinger based... the laws being forced down passed through the corrupt whore hopping politicians likes of Clinton and fag Barney Frank et al are no less...

They are in your face having other nations to tow the American liberalism line is the reality of this mentality and also a mark of Jewish economic and cultural control that is galling! 

ops155 wrote: yet you don't think Christians should be able to judge all Muslims and condemn them for not believing in Christ?

Oh really! haven't they tried this for last two centuries and failed miserably...but yes they did colonize them and now the struggle of Muslim liberation is shaking the Christian apple cart...As a matter of fact the first thing the Christians were supposed to do was to convince the Jews about the Messiah instead they have become their slaves and doing all the dirty work fighting wars for material on their behalf if you can swallow this truth! Have you ever talked to an Israeli about Christianity and gotten sopat on your face? The Christ came for the children of Israel to stop their money changers business in the Temple but the Paul or Saul found the pagan Europeans a better lot to marry in!

BTW The Christians have nothing to do with Christ...He will disown you in a heart beat when he will come face to face to so called Christians, Zionist Christians and what have you!

ops155 wrote: There is endless evidence that sexual orientation is from birth and not choice. yet religion is 100 % choice.

You are talking from both ends of your mouth...

The idiocy is congenital and then want it indoctrinated as normal...It seems you are equating homosexuality with religion...Normal sex is denied to Catholic priesthood and then end up sticking to the poor boys in the rectory so what gives?

ops155 wrote: Before anyone says I am pro gay, I'm not.

As if some one here gives a hoot about your being one or not!

 

ops155 wrote: but I do believe in freedom for people to make their own choices as long as it doesn't harm others.

The disease level of STD HIV and death rate amongst gays blows your thesis out of the water! That effects cost of health care for the rest and makes hostages out of normal people cuz it is politically incorrect!

ops155 wrote: So even if your choice is not the one I would make there is nothing I can do about it because it is none of my business. Muslims and actually religious people in general always talk about not judging others and only god himself can judge people yet you bring up a gay man and the judging is off the charts.

As long as they keep it to themselves and not have the laws made favoring  gays!

Duh, God has given the judgment already, Reiteration being labeled as  judgment is moronic thinking or.."the congenital American optimism that denies conflicts and imagines all stories having happy endings" RJ Samuelson)

Gibbs wrote: This topic is very sensitive and I think for the religiously devout, it appears to be quite difficult to be sensitive to the issue. I guess you can't be gay and religious at the same time. Funny, at one point in time you couldn't be of a particular tribe or ethnic group to marry. I can't wait til the old dogmatic farts that run the three faiths die off and allow tolerance of homosexuality cause quite frankly I don't think God cares who you sleep with but, if you are a decent human being

There nothing to be sensitive about when one comes to the legal issues particularly the Tahara based ...  it might be called ignorance and darkness of the soul...
The discrimination who one can marry was basically was a racial issue more pervasive in the Christian west or any race based religion! In Islamic lands such restrictions have never existed when one could marry a slave than what else one could ask for? It even permitted to accept the women from other two faiths I mean faithful and chaste not debauched...
By the time the farts die off you may also be dead so such wish is as foolish as is the homosexuality's getting it's universal acceptance..
It is quite a preposterous thinking that over rides what God's cares after He has set down the rules! When God has sanctioned homosexuality as an indecent act, what is your authority to make that party as a decent unless your soul is also Jewish one bent upon living in the darkness and infecting others along the way!

Guide us the straight way. 

 The way of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings,  not of those who have been condemned [by Thee], nor of those who go astray!

Edited by Sign*Reader - 24 December 2009 at 9:42pm

ops155 wrote: I have a question for all Muslims... Why is it that you can judge an entire group of peaceful people whom you have never met

 

ops155 wrote: Before anyone says I am pro gay, I'm not. I do not understand how one man can find anything sexual about another man nor do I want to see two men hugging/kissing or anything else but I do believe in freedom for people to make their own choices as long as it doesn't harm others. So even if your choice is not the one I would make there is nothing I can do about it because it is none of my business.

 

First you claimed homosexuality's an orientation from birth, now you say you dont understand... you're confused amigo! Then I guess you'd believe incestuous relationships too should be allowed, as long as it aint harming nobody....

 

ops155 wrote: Muslims and actually religious people in general always talk about not judging others and only god himself can judge people yet you bring up a gay man and the judging is off the charts.

 

Muslims believe in enjoing whats good and forbidding whats evil. Condemning an act aint necessarily judging or condemning a person.