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seekshidayath 
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 Posted: 14 February 2010 at 11:31pm |
Hey Haris ! as far as i know, NONE of your post was deleted. I always approved them
U said :
My GOD! do u really believe that Quran is that complicated?Why didnt the Prophet write or have some one write down his sayings during his life time if it wouldve been of so much importance in these times?Did he forget ?Did GoD forget?Why does GOD promise that only his words will be preserved and not the sayings of the final Prophet?
Did i say Qur'an is complicated !!! Why did you go to college for further studies, when by school level you cud learn to read & study very well. Why did you seek assistance of professors !
Now, you don't complicate the issue Haris. I never said, its a must to seek a scholar. And did i name a scholar and suggested study him only ?
For your kind information, hadiths {sayings of prophet} were written during those times. Insha Allah, shall share a link of a thread.
Edited by seekshidayath - 14 February 2010 at 11:43pm
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath
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Posted: 14 February 2010 at 11:39pm |
[ 9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords,* instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners
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You are misleading people with your understanding Haris !!
Fear Allah swt !! I stressed over need of being in touch with people who possess more knowledge than ours. Just it! It sometimes also suggested to members to stay active, or be in touch with people who practise Islam. Just because, that helps us to refresh our faith and keep ot live. Likewise, when we read scholars, will it not help in gaining more knowledge !! Is it not simple and clear to you !!!
I don't bother if you work with PMs and try to force your thoughts over them, i have trust in Allah swt that any misleading factors shud not affect them, because they are here to seek true knowledge, sincerly. Allah swt always guides the true seekers. May Allah swt lead all of us to straight path
Read this thread to know, how hadiths were written and collected during the days of Prophet
Edited by seekshidayath - 14 February 2010 at 11:53pm
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath
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Posted: 14 February 2010 at 11:51pm |
Read this thread, as how hadiths were written during the days of Prophet
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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peacemaker
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Posted: 15 February 2010 at 3:27am |
Uri S,
Please don't worry about harris or any such matter in this thread. Please post in the comment section if you have any concern. Also, please don't use bold font for the entire body of the post. Please comply with the guidelines.
harris30432,
This is the third time, I am tellling you that please stay away from this thread. You may continue to post in the intrafaith section by engaging in discussion or dialogue. Please comply with the guidelines.
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13
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calvindamenace
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Posted: 18 February 2010 at 4:04am |
Uri, its not compulsory that you seek a scholar. Okay !! What we meant to say that we don't possess so much of knowledge like that of a scholar. That was the humbleness of Br.Peacemaker. Hope you got the point. Did we ever say, Uri, you need to see a scholar
Seekshidayath, let me give you a sample.. There are scholars that approve oral sex (probably those that live in western countries) and there are scholars that don't. There are scholars that approve masturbation, and there are scholars that don't. Now, how do I rule out which scholars are right and which are wrong? And tell me, how do these people came to such conclusions with SAME QURAN?
..I wonder if �Sorry, not my fault, I was just following scholar’s advice� is going to be an exuse on Judgment Day.. since quran has it clear �Behold Allah's guidance is the only (true) guidance�.
Now, suppose if� a person belongs to a rural area. They never knew what a computer is, but just heard its name. A little learnt person, when brings a computer to his home, will he just read its manual and install & run it. Can he ? What he does is, he brings along a person, who knows to install it and start up. He teaches him few new things as well. This was a simple example i designed out of my understanding to explain you, that by just reading manual { Qur'an}, one cannot totally understand. A person who was bought to install, is like our Prophet, who was called as a walking Qur'an. I hope am clear.
So, are you saying that quran is insufficient and you do need a manual along with it?
About which path to follow. We muslims don't encourage divisions and confuse people. Islam is simple. We have Qur'an before you, we have an Ideal before us of whom Allah swt commanded us to take him as our Ideal in our lives - i.e our Prophet Muhammad. Answer is simple, follow Qur'an and cling to sunnah {sayings and practices of Prophet}. Don't bother if you are salalfi/sunni or stuff. Pray Allah swt , who is our Creator, to guide us to a path He has shown us.
Well, follow sayings and practices of prophet.. ok.. here: "The Prophet said, "Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, and do not bring any bones or animal dung." Sahih Bukhari 5:58:200 Well, I see he never used toilet paper.. The practice is to use stones.. how come we don't?
Edited by Uri S - 18 February 2010 at 4:05am
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seekshidayath
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Posted: 19 February 2010 at 3:24am |
As Salamu Alaikum
Uri, i was thinking of you all the day in my class. Morning, before starting up, i checked your post. When i attended my class, i had lecture of the same subject, you have been discussing. I thanked Allah swt, very much. I did note few points. Insha Allah, shall share them with you. What i was reflecting over is, how well Allah swt facilitates us with the sources, Allahu Akbar !!
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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seekshidayath
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Posted: 19 February 2010 at 3:53am |
By the way Uri, did you read the link, i shared at the first post of this page. Your second part of the post will be answered insha Allah
Regarding the other two questions of yours. I shall take an other example. During the days of Prophet there was no photography. Now, a question may arise if photography is allowed in Islam. Few scholars allow it and few don't. Your kind of question is what to do ? Is n't it
The Prophet sent Muadh bin Jabal to Yemen as their judge and governor. Before Muadh left the Prophet, he asked the latter on what basis would he judge if he was confronted with a problem.
Muadh said that he would judge on the basis of the contents of the Quran.
The Prophet asked him, "assuming that you do not find it in the Quran, on what basis would you judge",
Muadh said he would judge on the basis of the Sunnah of the Prophet.
The Prophet also asked him, "assuming that you do not find it both in the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophets, on what basis would you judge",
Muadh bin Jabal replied that he would use his own individual judgment.
And the Prophet was very happy to hear this statement".
Now about photography, we don't find directly in Qur'an and sunnah, that photography is prohibited. .There is something called "Ijtihaad", which means rulings are derived from Qur'an and sunnah. Scholars present there daleel {which means their derivations from Qur'an and sunnah}. Both who permit and do not permit present there daleels. Now, its upto us, whether we take any of the rulings. We are not blamed for not taking anything, nor are questioned by Allah swt.
Hope, you got your questions answered. If at all you are not clear, you can further question them
And yes, note that Ijtidaad may be wrong, as scholars though are very highly learnt persons, who spent there life in studying, are still humans. They are prone to errors and we are not bounded to follow them only.
Edited by seekshidayath - 19 February 2010 at 4:09am
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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calvindamenace
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Posted: 20 February 2010 at 1:52pm |
So, how is this religion complete if you can't resolve some matters with Quran or with a scholar? (Not that I would anyway) I thought it should be “this is permissible to you, and this is not”. Now, that’s simple. And this, quoting you "Now, it’s up to us, whether we take any of the rulings. We are not blamed for not taking anything, nor are questioned by Allah swt." How is it working? I don't get it, so if I decide to go with a scholar that made a decision that masturbation or oral sex is ok then it's permissible to me, and if I decide to go with one who forbade it, it's ok too? How can we not know if it's a sin or not? I mean such a thing can lead me to being in hell, that's not a little matter; I sure want to know what sin is and what is not without having to guess or relying on myself.. I am prone to making mistakes, after all I am just a human and I would like a clear guidance so I can follow it without a doubt. As for photography, thanks for explaining,(I mean what's wrong with taking pictures of your family or nature, can't believe that could be an issue too) yet I wish I could hear more on masturbation and oral sex, I do believe these existed at the time of a prophet...
P.S. Also, you never answered to this “So, are you saying that Quran is insufficient and you do need a manual along with it?”, instead you just pointed me to a thread on how hadith were written.
P.P.S.  I wonder if any scholars out there still use stones to wipe their butts, for some reason I highly doubt that. So, in some way, not that many people follow prophet's path.. 
Edited by calvindamenace - 21 February 2010 at 7:11am
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