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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 February 2010 at 9:09am
Oh ! you changed your name from uri to calvindamenace - Uri was bit easy to spell. Anyways,

And yes, i wish you were bit modest, Use good examples.

READ THIS : {Source Islam-qa} And yes, thanks for the discussion. Am getting to learn more out of this. Here was a question, similar to yours. It was answered as follows ;

If the Muslim has enough knowledge to enable him to compare the views of the scholars based on the evidence and to decide which is more likely to be correct, and he can tell what is more correct and more likely to be correct, then he must do that, because Allaah has commanded us to refer disputed matters to the Qur�aan and Sunnah, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

�(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination�[al-Nisa� 4:59]

So he should refer the disputed matter to the Qur�aan and Sunnah, and whatever appears to him to be more correct, based on the evidence, is what he should follow, because what is obligatory is to follow the evidence, and he may refer to the words of the scholars to help him understand the evidence.

But if the Muslim does not have sufficient knowledge to enable him to decide which of the scholarly opinions is more likely to be correct, then he should ask the people of knowledge whose knowledge and religious commitment he trusts and then follow the advice or fatwas they give. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

�So ask the people of the Reminder if you do not know�

[al-Anbiya� 21:43]

If their opinions differ, then he should follow the one who is most trustworthy and most knowledgeable. This is like when a person falls sick � may Allaah give us all good health � and he looks for the most trustworthy and knowledgeable doctor so that he can go to him, because he is most likely to give him the right treatment than anyone else. It is more important to be on the safe side in religious matters than in worldly ones.

It is not permissible for the Muslim to follow whatever scholarly opinion suits his desires if it goes against the evidence, or to seek fatwas from those who he thinks are going to be lenient in their fatwas.

Rather he has to be on the safe side when it comes to his religion, and ask the scholars who have the most knowledge and are most fearing of Allaah.

Al-Khilaaf bayna al-�Ulama� by Shaykh Ibn �Uthaymeen, 26; Liqa� Munawwa� ma�a Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, p. 25, 26

Is it befitting for a wise man to take precautions for his physical health and go to the most skilled doctors no matter how far away they are, and spend a great deal of money on that, then take the matter of his religion lightly and not to care about it unless it coincides with his whims and desires, and to take the easiest fatwa even if it is contrary to the truth? Indeed, there are even people who � Allaah forbid � ask a scholar a question, and if his fatwa does not suit their whims and desires, they will ask another, and another, until they find a person who will give them the fatwa they want!

There is no scholar who does not have some issues in which he strove to make a decision on the basis of ijtihaad but failed to reach the right answer, but he is excused for that and he will have a reward for his ijtihaad, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): �If a judge passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge and gets it right, he will have two rewards. If he passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge but gets it wrong, he will have one reward.� (al-Bukhaari, 7352; Muslim, 1716).

It is not permissible for the Muslim to follow the errors and mistakes of the scholars, for that combines all kinds of evil. Hence the scholars said: whoever follows that concerning which the scholars differed, and takes the easiest of their fatwas, becomes a heretic, or close enough. Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/228. Heresy means hypocrisy.

We ask Allaah to give us understanding and to help us to acquire beneficial knowledge and to do righteous deeds.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and grant him peace.



Edited by seekshidayath - 21 February 2010 at 9:10am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 February 2010 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

Oh ! you changed your name from uri to calvindamenace - Uri was bit easy to spell. Anyways,

And yes, i wish you were bit modest, Use good examples.

We are old enough and mature enough to talk about it.

If the Muslim has enough knowledge to enable him to compare the views of the scholars based on the evidence and to decide which is more likely to be correct, and he can tell what is more correct and more likely to be correct, then he must do that, because Allaah has commanded us to refer disputed matters to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination”[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

So he should refer the disputed matter to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and whatever appears to him to be more correct, based on the evidence, is what he should follow, because what is obligatory is to follow the evidence, and he may refer to the words of the scholars to help him understand the evidence.

One's going to see a scholar cause his knowledge on some matters is not sufficient, right? So how can he compare and decide what's more correct? It just doesn't make sence.

But if the Muslim does not have sufficient knowledge to enable him to decide which of the scholarly opinions is more likely to be correct, then he should ask the people of knowledge whose knowledge and religious commitment he trusts and then follow the advice or fatwas they give. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So ask the people of the Reminder if you do not know”

[al-Anbiya’ 21:43]

We have talked about it already; people have different views and make different decisions.

If their opinions differ, then he should follow the one who is most trustworthy and most knowledgeable. This is like when a person falls sick – may Allaah give us all good health – and he looks for the most trustworthy and knowledgeable doctor so that he can go to him, because he is most likely to give him the right treatment than anyone else. It is more important to be on the safe side in religious matters than in worldly ones.

How do you decide who's more trustworthy in an age of information? This is not old days where you had to travel to a nearby village to see an old guy who'd explain to you his views... Can you even imagine how many different points of views you can read online?

It is not permissible for the Muslim to follow whatever scholarly opinion suits his desires if it goes against the evidence, or to seek fatwas from those who he thinks are going to be lenient in their fatwas.

Again, who's to say which scholar is right on a matter that botheres me?

Rather he has to be on the safe side when it comes to his religion, and ask the scholars who have the most knowledge and are most fearing of Allaah.

This is amazing. Answer me please; which scholars do poses more knowledge? Addresses and phone numbers would be great.>

Al-Khilaaf bayna al-‘Ulama’ by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 26; Liqa’ Munawwa’ ma’a Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, p. 25, 26

Is it befitting for a wise man to take precautions for his physical health and go to the most skilled doctors no matter how far away they are, and spend a great deal of money on that, then take the matter of his religion lightly and not to care about it unless it coincides with his whims and desires, and to take the easiest fatwa even if it is contrary to the truth? Indeed, there are even people who – Allaah forbid – ask a scholar a question, and if his fatwa does not suit their whims and desires, they will ask another, and another, until they find a person who will give them the fatwa they want!

Yeah, they would. Cause it seems like this religion does give you a chance to go by someone's view, not by word of God.Who knows, maybe these people decided that first scholar they saw didn't poses as much knowledge and went to see another.. which also didn't posses enough, so they had to go see another...

There is no scholar who does not have some issues in which he strove to make a decision on the basis of ijtihaad but failed to reach the right answer, but he is excused for that and he will have a reward for his ijtihaad, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “If a judge passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge and gets it right, he will have two rewards. If he passes a ruling to the best of his ability and knowledge but gets it wrong, he will have one reward.” (al-Bukhaari, 7352; Muslim, 1716).

It is not permissible for the Muslim to follow the errors and mistakes of the scholars, for that combines all kinds of evil. Hence the scholars said: whoever follows that concerning which the scholars differed, and takes the easiest of their fatwas, becomes a heretic, or close enough. Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/228. Heresy means hypocrisy.

We are walking in circles here... Like I mentioned above, we go to see a scholar due to the luck of knowledge, how do we know if he's wrong? And yet if he is wrong we can't follow him. Guess this made sence for you somehow. (??)

We ask Allaah to give us understanding and to help us to acquire beneficial knowledge and to do righteous deeds.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and grant him peace.

       

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2010 at 5:48am
I just noticed you've moved topic from New Muslims to General Islamic Matter. I did post it in Groups - New Muslims for a reason. I bet many new muslims have these questions. Or are you guys not comfortable with new muslims reading this?

Edited by calvindamenace - 22 February 2010 at 5:51am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2010 at 6:04am
Seeks-'scholars though are very highly learnt persons, who spent there life in studying, are still humans. They are prone to errors and we are not bounded to follow them only.'

Do you realize that this is what we are ultimately saying?


If a muslim follows the Quran then at least there should be no confusion.

There are many good people in the world. Doesn't make them right or wrong. They are not the prophet(pbuh) nor do these scholars talk words straight from Allah.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2010 at 7:40am
Originally posted by calvindamenace calvindamenace wrote:

I just noticed you've moved topic from New Muslims to General Islamic Matter. I did post it in Groups - New Muslims for a reason. I bet many new muslims have these questions. Or are you guys not comfortable with new muslims reading this?


We wanted this thread to be read by all muslims {not just new muslims}

Insha Allah, shall reply your post soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2010 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

Seeks-'scholars though are very highly learnt persons, who spent there life in studying, are still humans. They are prone to errors and we are not bounded to follow them only.'

Do you realize that this is what we are ultimately saying?


If a muslim follows the Quran then at least there should be no confusion.

There are many good people in the world. Doesn't make them right or wrong. They are not the prophet(pbuh) nor do these scholars talk words straight from Allah.


 
As Salamu Alaikum
 
Sis Martha, firstly let me make clear to you that one goes for the ruling over matters that are not very clear and apparent by our knowledge of Qur'an and sunnah. Not every muslim is well-bounded with Islamic knowledge.
 
For today, i shall leave you a homework. {Both you and Uri/Calvin}
 
Can  we slaughter a dog ? {Prove me from only Qur'an}
 
Insha Allah, this question shall help you realise the need of scholar.
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2010 at 5:28am
I am not here for homework. Once again, I am not here to prove anything, I am here to get answers to my questions. Yet, I'll look it up while you take your time to answer to my last post. (My understandings, if a dog causes trouble, let’s say if it's too aggressive towards human being, sure you can.)

P.S. As far as I know there are also different views on a keeping a dog which is crazy... I mean what could be wrong with having a dog. I love dogs; it's an animal and no matter what any scholar says... I'm going to keep one and they can keep on following their self-made rules. Here: "The Quran also tells that it is permissible to eat what trained dogs catch (5:4)." Ok, do hunters that have these dogs for hunting also have to go through purification every time a dog touches him? Do they have to purify whatever they got too?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2010 at 9:15am
There is nothing wrong with having a dog. I can;t find anything in the Quran to say we can slaughter a dog. THough dogs are mentioned several times. There is the story of the men in the cave. If dogs were not permitted then they would not have been created.

Hadiths contradict. SOme say kill a dog, others don't BUt Muhammed loved animals. So why on earth would I need a scholar in this instance? Because it doesn't say much in the Quran?

Another point. Scholars say donkeys are haram. How ridiculous! Do you not know of the story of Hala Sultan?
(donkeys btw get treated terribly by many ignorant people. WOuld that be why then? cause they think them haram?)

Your post does not make any sense to me at all :(

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