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    Posted: 12 June 2010 at 9:21am
a. faith implies being absolutely sure that god exist. what makes you think he does exist.

b. did you ever have moments of hesitation in god's existence - of so, what did you do in those moments?

Elijah.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hayfa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 June 2010 at 6:01am
Hi Elijah,

I have not always been a Muslim and went through a period of my life (late teens, early 20s) not really believing in God or the concept of God I was given in the Catholic Church- my upbringing. I went on with my life and didn't think about it. (The minds of the young :))

Things actually changed after years of martial arts interestingly. Not that religion is discussed by there are roots of Buddhism in martial arts.  As my life evolved - I grew up - and continued to contemplate life I came to the conclusion -after looking at the amazing cosmos - that there is something "greater than I." I did not label it as "God" for I did not want to get into the Christian religion. Then I came in contact with Muslims in my life and things gradually changed.

And yes there are those "moments" and then I look at anything around me, contemplate my existence and it brings it back to acceptance.

Good question


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HAYFA,

I don't think you answered that question: "what makes you think god does exist?"
Thanks for the rest.

Elijah.

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I look, feel, smell, taste, feel etc.  My senses tell me t here is is something greater then  I. Its not that complicated
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Looking for a logical answer, eh Elijah? Answer me this then. Smile

If I wanna know the complete details of a creation, say a very complex machine, who'd I best expect them from?




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote honeto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2010 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:

a. faith implies being absolutely sure that god exist. what makes you think he does exist.

b. did you ever have moments of hesitation in god's existence - of so, what did you do in those moments?

Elijah.


Elijah boy,
a) God exists, and that has never been a questionable thing for me. I will mention only a few things, as my life will finish but the list of evidence of existence of my Creator will not. When I open my eyes, see things around me, I see myself, my body, how it is formed and how it performs, it follows a system, I feel, pain, hunger, happiness, sadness, I serve a purpose just like uncountable people like myself and other creatures do. A fly flies by, I think for a moment, how this tiny creature is so perfectly designed and functions as its Creator intended.
Once a former atheist friend of mine was visiting me, we were talking on the same subject, his phone rang and he talked. When he finished, I asked him, if the cell phone is an amazing thing. You can now talk anywhere almost from anywhere, he agreed what an amazing equipment. I asked him, if this amazing thing, the cell phone, had a maker? Of course, he said. I asked him, do you think this phone is more complicated than your body? the answer was obvious, no. I asked him then, how can you say that this phone has a maker while you that is much more complex and able than this phone does not, according to you? with two eyes to see, tongue to talk, ears to hear, feet to walk, hands to work and perform tasks, head to think and invent things like that phone is to mention just a few! He did not have an answer, I see this old friend in the mosque now.
Is that not enough of evidence that there is God? For me it is more than enough, and I praise God, who has promised us to make things understandable, if we deem to use those faculties He has blessed us with. All Praise belong to God alone, and no one else.

Answer to b) is clear in the light of above but if you insist an answer: no, the existence of God was never a thing to doubt for me.
Hasan



Edited by honeto - 15 June 2010 at 7:34pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote martha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2010 at 9:37am
@Elijah-boy,

I don;t agree that faith implies God's existence.

Faith,as mentioned in Hebrews 11:1 is 'the substance(assurance) of things hoped for , the evidence of things not seen. (that could mean anything then)

So, it is a belief. In much the same way you have faith the sun will appear tomorrow morning. HOw do you know it will? You don't!

I have never had any hesitation of God's existence. And the more my faith is tested and the more that things are subsequently revealed then the stronger my faith grows.

It isn;t rocket science thank goodness. All people have faith in something..it's what keeps us active. Billions believe in a God. And even if God did not exist then as long as the believer is content with his views and it helps him become a better person then I can;t see there is any harm in it.

some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote martha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2010 at 9:40am
N.B ELijah

I wonder why you ask others what faith implies. Our opinion, to you, really doesn't account for much. The best person to ask is yourself? Or does your question take on some so far, unknown agenda?

some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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