God in Evangelical Christianity

It is most amusing that Modern Muslims can give absolutely no credit to the Book of Revelation�.when it contains and defines these Koranic themes:

• Koranic Heaven
• Koranic Hell
• Eschatology
• Second Death
• Babylon the Great
• Gog & Magog
• Jinn
• The Green & Gold colors of Islam
• Mark of the Beast
• Trumpet blasts
• Jesus is God

On�.and on�.and on�.

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Koranic Eschatology

What will happen�

Babylon the Great, Koran:   (7:2-6, 15:3-15, 16:112-113, 17:16, 17:58, 21:10-15, 21:95-102, 22:45-48, 25:40-43, 26:202-208, 28:58-61, 34:33-35, 36:13-20, 43:21-23, 65:8-11)       

Babylon the Great, Book of Revelation:     (12:1-17, 14:6-9, 16:17-21, 17:1-18, 18:1-24)

Babylon the Great, Koran

A Book was descended to you so no tightness/strain be in your chest (innermost) from it, to warn/give notice with it and a remembrance/reminder to the believers.  Follow what was descended to you from your Lord, and do not follow from other than Him guardians, little (is) what you remember/glorify.  And how many from a village/urban city We destroyed it, so Our might/power came to it suddenly at night/overnight, or (while) they are saying/relaxing at midday.   So their call/prayer when/if Our might/power came to them was not except that they said: "We were unjust/oppressive."   So We will ask/question those sent to them, and We will ask/question the messengers. (7:2-6)

Leave them eat and they live long/enjoy, and the hope distracts/preoccupies them, so they will/shall know.  And We did not destroy from a village/urban city, except and for it (is) a known Book.  None from a nation precedes its term/time, and they do not delay (it). And they said: "You, you who the reminder/remembrance was descended on him, that you are mad/insane."   "If you (could) come to us with the angels, if you were from truthful! (expression of wonderment)."  We do not descend the angels except with the truth, and they (the disbelievers) were not then delayed/waited.  That We, We descended the reminder/remembrance, and that We (are) for it, protectors/guards. And We had descended from before you in the first's/beginner's groups/parties.  And none from a messenger comes to them, except they were with him mocking/making fun. As/like that We enter/insert it in the criminals'/sinners' hearts/minds. They do not believe with it, and (the) manner/nature (of) the firsts/beginners had past/expired.  And if We opened on them a door/entrance from the sky/space, so they continued/remained in it ascending/zigzagging. They would have said: "But our eye/sights/understanding got closed and confused, but we are a bewitched/enchanted nation." (15:3-15)

And Allah gave an example/proverb (of) a village/urban city (that) was safe/secure assured/tranquillized/secured, its provision comes to it easily/comfortably from every place, so it disbelieved with Allah�s' blessings/good nesses, so Allah made it taste/experience the starvation's/hunger's cover/dress/mixture and the fear/fright, because (of) what they were making/producing/manufacturing.  And a messenger from them had come to them so they denied him, so the torture took/punished them, and (while) they are unjust/oppressive. (16:112-113)

And if We willed/wanted that We destroy/perish a village/urban city, We ordered/commanded its luxuriated ungrateful and arrogant, so they debauched in it, so the saying/words was deserved on it, so We destroyed it destructively.  (17:16)

And (there is) none from a village/urban city, except (that) We are making it die/destroying it before the Resurrection Day, or torturing it strong (severe) torture, that was/is in The Book written/inscribed/drafted.  (17:58)

We had descended to you a Book in it (is) your memory/mention, so do you not reason/understand?  And how many from a village/urban city We destroyed/broke, (it) was unjust/oppressive, and We created/formed after it a nation (of) others.   So when they felt with one of their physical senses Our might/power, then they are from it running (fleeing).   Do not run, and return to what you were luxuriated/ungrateful and arrogant in it and your residences, maybe/perhaps you be asked/questioned. They said: "Oh our calamity that we, we were unjust/oppressive."   So it was still/continuing that it (was) their call/prayer until We made them uprooted (and) silent/dead. (21:10-15)

And forbidden on a village/urban city We made it die/destroyed it, that they do not return.  Until when Yagog and Magog was opened, and they are for every/each hard/elevated ground, they rush down/separate. And the promise, the truth, neared/approached, so then those who disbelieved's eye sights it is (are) staring at. "Oh our calamity, we had been in negligence/disregard from this, rather we were unjust/oppressors."  That you, and what you worship from other than Allah, (are) Hell's stones/fire fuel, you are to it nearing/approaching. If those were gods, they would not (have) neared/approached it, and each/all (is) in it immortal/eternal.  For them in it (is the) sound of blazing or roaring fire, and they (are) in it not hearing/listening. That those whom the best/goodness from Us preceded for them, those are from it they are being kept far away. They do not hear its sound or noise, and they are in what their selves desired/craved immortal/eternal. (21:95-102)

So how many from a village/urban city We made it die/destroyed it, and it is unjust/oppressive, so it is empty/destroyed on its ceilings/structures, and a well abandoned/inactive, and an erected/plastered castle/palace? Do they not walk/move/ride in the earth/Planet Earth, so it (can) be for them hearts/minds they reason/comprehend with it, or ears they hear/listen with it, so that it truly does not blind/confuse the eye sights/knowledge and but that the hearts/minds which (are) in the chests (innermosts) blind/confuse (although they have eyes, they refuse to accept it).  And they hurry/hasten/urge you with the torture, and Allah will never/not break His promise, and that a day/time at your Lord (is) as a thousand years from what you count. And how many from a village/urban city I extended in time/life for it, and it is unjust/oppressive? Then I took/punished it, and to Me (is) the end/destination. (22:45-48)

And they had come/passed by on (to) the village/urban city which was rained the fire's/harm's rain, where they not being seeing it? But they were not hoping/expecting revival/resurrection. And if they saw you, that they take you except mockingly/making fun: "Is that who Allah sent (as) a messenger?"  "That he was about to/almost to misguide us from our gods, except for that we were patient on it." And they will know when they see/understand the torture who (is) more misguided a way/path.  Did you see who took/received his god (as) his self attraction for desire, so do you be on him a guardian/ally?   (25:40-43)

So it comes to them suddenly/unexpectedly, and (while) they are not feeling/knowing/sensing.  So they say: "Are we delayed?"  Are (they) with Our torture hastening/urging?  So did you see if We gave them long life/made them enjoy years?  Then came to them what they were being promised.  What they were being made to enjoy did not enrich/suffice (benefit) from them.  And We did not destroy from a village/urban city, except for it (are) warners/givers of notice.  (26:202-208)

And how many We perished/destroyed from a village/urban city its life/livelihood/sustenance became unappreciated/undeserved (they were ungrateful for their livelihood), so those are their residences, did not get inhabited from after them, except a few/little, and We were, We, the heirs/inheritants.  And your Lord was not perishing/destroying the villages/urban cities, until He sends in its origin a messenger, he reads/recites on (to) them Our verses/evidences/signs, and We were not destroying the villages/urban cities, except and (while) its people (are) unjust/oppressive. And you were not given from a thing so enjoyment (of) the life the present/worldly life, and its decoration/beauty/ornament, and what (is) at Allah (is) best and more lasting/continuing (everlasting), so do you not reason/comprehend?  Is who We promised him a good/beautiful promise, so he is receiving/finding it, as who We made him enjoy the life the present's/worldly life's enjoyment then he is (on) the Resurrection Day from present/attending?  (28:58-61)

And those who were weakened said to those who were arrogant: "But the night's and daytime's cheatery/deceit when you order/command us that we disbelieve with (in) Allah, and we make/put/create for Him equals (idols)." And they kept the regret/remorse secret, when they saw the torture, and We made/put the leather or iron collars or hand cuffs in those who disbeliever�s necks, are they reimbursed except (for) what they were making/doing ?  And We did not send in a village/urban city from a warner/giver of notice except (that) its luxuriated ungrateful and arrogant said: "That we with what you were sent with it (are) disbelieving."  And they said: "We (have) more properties/possessions/wealth and children, and we are not with being tortured." (34:33-35)

And give for them an example/proverb (of) the village's/urban city's owners/company, when the messengers came to them.  When We sent to them two, so they denied/falsified them, so We strengthened/ supported with a third, so they said: "We (are) sent/being sent to you." They said: "You are not except humans equal/alike to us, and the merciful did not descend from a thing, that truly you are except lying/denying/falsifying." They said: "Our Lord knows, that we are to you sent/messengers."  "And nothing (is) on us except the information/communication, the clear/evident."  They said: "That we, we had a bad omen with you if you did not end/terminate/stop we will stone you, and a painful torture from us will touch you." They said: "Your omen (fate/future is) with you, (even if you) are, you were reminded, but you are a nation (of) wasters/extravagators."  And from (the) farthest of the city/town came a man walking quickly he said: "You my nation, follow the messengers." (36:13-20)

Or We gave them a Book from before it, so they are with it holding/seizing/grasping?

But they said: "We, we found our fathers on a constitution (set example), and We on their tracks are guided." And as/like that We did not send from before you in a village/urban city from a warner/giver of notice except its luxuriated ungrateful and arrogant said: "We, we found our fathers on a constitution (set example), and we, on their tracks, we are following/imitating (their) example."  (43:21-23)

And how many from a village/urban city (that) disobeyed from its Lord's order/command and His messengers, so We counted/calculated (with) it (a) strong (severe) account/calculation, and We tortured it (an) awful/severe torture?  So it tasted/experienced its matter's/affair's severity/consequences, and its matter's/affair's end/turn (result) was a loss/misguidance and perishment.  Allah prepared for them a strong (severe) torture, so fear and obey Allah you (owners) of the pure minds/hearts, those who believed, Allah had descended to you a reminder/remembrance. A messenger, he reads/recites on you Allah's evident verses/evidences, to bring/drive out those who believed and made/did the correct/righteous deeds from the darknesses to the light, and who believes with (in) Allah and makes/does correct/righteous deeds, He enters him (into) treed gardens/paradises, the rivers/waterways flow from beneath it, immortally/eternally in it (for) ever, Allah had bettered for him a provision. (65:8-11)

Babylon the Great, Book of Revelation

And a great sign was seen in the heavens, a woman having been clothed with the sun, and the moon was underneath her feet; and on her head a crown of twelve stars; and having a babe in womb. She cries, being in labor, and having been distressed to bear.  And another sign was seen in the heavens. And, behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns! And on his heads were seven diadems, and his tail drew the third part of the stars of the heaven, and he throws them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child.  And she bore a son, a male, who is going to shepherd all the nations with an iron staff. And her child was caught away to God, and to His throne.  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place, it having been prepared from God, that there they might nourish her a thousand two hundred and sixty days.  And war occurred in Heaven, Michael and his angels making war against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels made war, but they did not have strength, nor yet was place found for them in Heaven.  And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent being called devil, and, Satan; he deceiving the whole habitable world was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because the accuser of our brothers is thrown down, the one accusing them before our God day and night.  And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul even until death.  Because of this, be glad, the heavens and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the ones dwelling on the earth, and in the sea, because the devil came down to you having great anger, knowing that he has a little time!  And when the dragon saw that he was cast out onto the earth, he pursued the woman who bore the male.  And two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished there a time, and times, and half a time, away from the serpent's face.  And the serpent threw water out of his mouth like a river after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried off by the river.  And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon threw out of his mouth.  And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, those keeping the commandments of God, and having the testimony of Jesus Christ.  (Rev 12:1-17)

And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an everlasting gospel to proclaim to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, Saying in a great voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him, because the hour of His judgment has come; also, Worship "Him who has made the heaven, and the earth, and the sea," and the springs of waters. (Ex. 20:11)  And another angel followed, saying, The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen because of the wine of the anger of her fornication she made all nations to drink.   And a third angel followed them, saying in a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or in his hand, (Rev 14:6-9)

And the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a great voice came from the throne from the temple of Heaven, saying, It has happened!  And voices and thunders and lightnings occurred. And a great earthquake occurred, such as did not occur since man came into being on the earth, such a huge earthquake, so great!  And the great city came to be into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the anger of His wrath.  And every island fled away, and mountains were not found.  And a great hail, as the size of a talent, came down out of the heaven upon men. And men blasphemed God from the plague of the hail, because its plague is exceedingly great.  (Rev 16:17-21)

And one of the seven angels having the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on the many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the ones inhabiting the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication.  And he carried me away into the wilderness, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, filled with names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.  And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and being gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominations and unclean things of her fornication.  And on her forehead was a name having been written: Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth.  And I saw the woman being drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And I marveled, seeing her, with a great marveling.  And the angel said to me, Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast supporting her, the one having the seven heads and the ten horns.  The beast which you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss, and goes to perdition. And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, the ones whose names have not been written on the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, seeing the beast, that it was a thing, and is not, yet now is.  Here is the mind having wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them. And the kings are seven. The five fell, and the one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he does come, he must remain a little.  And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition.  And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast.  These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast.  These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.  And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.  And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.  For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act in one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the Words of God shall be fulfilled.  And the woman whom you saw is the great city, having a kingdom over the kings of the earth.  (Rev 17:1-18)

And after these things I saw another angel coming down out of Heaven having great authority, and the earth was lighted up from his glory.  And he cried in a strong, great voice, saying, Babylon the great has fallen! It has fallen, and it has become a dwelling-place of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean bird, even having been hated, because of the wine of the anger of her fornication which all the nations have drunk, even the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the earth became rich from the power of her luxury.  And I heard another voice out of Heaven saying, My people, come out of her, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues; because her sins joined together, even up to Heaven, and God remembered her unjust deeds.  Give back to her as also she gave back to you, and double to her double, according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double.  By what things she glorified herself, and luxuriated, by so much give back to her torment and mourning. Because she says in her heart, I sit as a queen, and I am not a widow; and I do not see mourning at all.  Because of this, in one day her plagues shall come: death, and mourning, and famine; and she will be consumed with fire, for the Lord God judging her is strong.  And the kings of the earth will weep for her, and will wail over her, those having fornicated and having luxuriated with her, when they see the smoke of her burning; standing from afar because of the fear of her torment, saying, Woe! Woe to the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment came.  And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo any more, cargo of gold, and silver, and of precious stone, and of pearls, and of fine linen, and of purple, and of silk, and of scarlet, and all thyine wood, and every ivory vessel, and every vessel of very precious wood, and of bronze, and of iron, and of marble, and cinnamon, and incenses, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine meal, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and of bodies and souls of men.  And the ripe fruits of the lust of your soul went away from you, and all the fat things, and the bright things went away from you, and you will find them no more, not at all.  The merchants of these things, the ones being enriched from her, will stand from afar because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning; and saying, Woe! Woe to the great city having been clothed in linen and purple and scarlet, and having been gilded with gold and precious stone, and pearls!  For in one hour such great wealth was desolated. And every ship-pilot and all company on the ships, and sailors, and as many as work the sea, stood from afar, and cried out, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying, What is like the great city?  And they threw dust on their heads, and cried out, weeping and mourning, saying, Woe! Woe to the great city, by which all those having ships in the sea were rich, from her costliness, because in one hour she was ruined.  Rejoice over her, Heaven, and the holy apostles, and the prophets, because God judged your judgment on her.  And one strong angel lifted a stone like a great millstone, and threw it into the sea, saying, This way, on a violent impulse, Babylon the great city will be thrown down, and it will never more still be found.  And the sound of harpers, and of musicians, and flutists, and of trumpeters will not still be heard in you, never! And every craftsman of every craft will not still be found in you, never! And the sound of a mill will not still be heard in you, never!  And the light of a lamp will not still shine in you, never! And the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you, never! For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were led astray.  And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all the ones having been slain on the earth.  (Rev 18:1-24)

Summary:

1)      Is a Book descended?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

2)      The Book is descended from whom?...Revelation, a Revelation of Jesus Christ (Rev 1:1)�Koran, Allah

3)      The Book that is descended describes a City and its destruction?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

4)      What is this Book?...Revelation, the Book of Revelation�Koran, The Book

5)      What is the City called?...Revelation, Babylon the Great�Koran, Village/Urban City

6)      Are there people in the City?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

7)      Is the City full of luxuries?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

8)      Do people generate great wealth from the City?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

9)      Does the City glorify itself?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

10)  Are warnings brought to the people of the City?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

11)  Who brings the warnings?...Revelation, angels�Koran, angels/messengers

12)  More than one angel comes?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

13)  Is punishment sent to the people of the City?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

14)  Do the angels bring forth destruction from the heavens?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

15)  What is this destruction?...Revelation, large hail�Koran, stones

16)  Will the City experience famine?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

17)  Will the merchandise of the City be destroyed?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

18)  Is the City destroyed?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

19)  Is the destruction violent?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

20)  Is the City consumed by Fire?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

21)  Will the City be destroyed quickly?...Revelation, yes, on a violent impulse�Koran, yes

22)  When will it be destroyed?...Revelation, in one hour�Koran, suddenly/unexpectedly

23)  Will the Great City be destroyed before the Resurrection?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

24)  Are the believers urged to come out of her?...Revelation, yes�Koran, yes

25)  Will sounds ever be heard again?...Revelation, no�Koran, no

26)  Will the Great City ever return?...Revelation, no�Koran, no

27)  Revelation tells us that Babylon the Great is called the Mother of Harlots & of the abominations of the Earth

28)  Revelation also tells us that the woman of chapter 12 (Eve) is the same as the one mentioned in chapters 14, 17, & 18

29)  She (the woman, Eve) represents the whole human race

30)  The woman, in Rev chapter 12, is fleeing into the wilderness from Satan (seven heads, ten horns)

31)  The woman, in Rev chapter 17, is found in the wilderness, and is now riding the beast/Satan (seven heads, ten horns)

32)  Babylon is the City of man

33)  Man has been corrupted by Satan

Apple Pie, its been years, how are you? Remember when we had that long debate a couple of years ago, on a totally different website, and  in that thread you posted about how the Quran plagerized from the Book of Revelation, and you kept posting the similarities? And then I started posting in that same thread how the authors of the NT copied and plagerized from the Torah and the Tanach, posting word for word copies, literally word for word, and also basically the same essence in message copying too ....  Show us the links�.

If you go to the Converts to Islam section, I posted there, that I am a convert to Islam from the Ahmadiyya Qadiani Movement. You were a regular at the now extinct website ahmadiyya.com, and were posting the same stuff from the Book of Revelation, that you are now, approx 2 years later, at Islamicity .... Since the website is now extinct, I can't provide links, however, I am sure you remember .....

Jesus was not created. This is validated in both the Holy Bible and then later copied into the Koran�

You're telling me that the son of Mary, son of Man, that walked this earth, ate, slept, drank, and fell prostrate to the laws of God, was not created? His flesh existed prior to his spending 9 months in Mary's womb? Or did the eternal spirit of God that is breathed into every man, is what existed? Or was it predestined or decreed by God prior to its actual occurance, that the Messiah would be? I am sure you don't believe that the flesh of Jesus existed prior to its birth in Mary's womb. Jesus was a man-flesh. God is spirit. Period.

Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Jesus is God in the flesh.

Point being, the physical manifestation or the flesh itself is not God ... its the spiritual presence of God with and within (in) the physical-flesh-created aspect .... Jesus is not the only flesh-man to have the spiritual presence of God with and within .... According to Christian doctrine all born-agains recieve the spirit of God. Please tell me if you agree, that you are not worshiping the flesh of Jesus Christ, and if you are worshiping the flesh of Jesus, then clearly tell me that as well. Please don't beat around the bush on this one ... I would appreciate it ....

The �conception� of Jesus, by the Holy Spirit, is the same in both the Holy Bible and in the Koran�as defined by the Book of Luke�thus, He was not �created� as normal humans are.

Adam, Eve, and Mel-chesidek are not "created" as most humans are either ..... Defying the laws of nature does not make the creation divine, it or he, Jesus, is still an element of God's creation. His physical structure, his body, his DNA, his flesh, is a creation of God. Do you deny this?

Col 2:9  For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

For IN (within) him, dwells the fullness of Godhead bodily ..... the flesh itself is not divine ..... the spirit of God that dwelled within or in him was divine, and that same spirit allegedly dwells within ALL:

One God is Father of ALL, who is above ALL, and through ALL, and in ALL. (Esphians 4:6; also see many more verses which say the same thing: John 17:20; John 14:20; Psalms 82:6)

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angles which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)   Please tell us the vantage point of Jesus in Mark, verses the vantage point of Jesus in Revelation�

The rest of your post is erroneous as usual ...