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Its very refreshing to hear people like Noah, so far whatever I've read I couldn't agree with him anymore. i would just like to ask one thing from the people who defend the hadith, can you please explain who gave these so called narrators authority. If the hadith was so important why is it that no one thought of compiling them until 200 years had passed after the Prophet's (pbuh) death. Wouldn't he have instructed his companions to do so already. Its actually very funny but there is a hadith in Bukhari's compilation that narrates the Prophet (pbuh) asking his companions not to write down his actions, because he feared coruption. Now since I believe in the Quran alone I can't use this arguement, but I ask you people to actually think about it. If you follow the hadith, what stops you from following this one. Let me clarify that some of the hadith may be right, but there is no sure way to verify that. We just have to take some peoples word for it, who by the way were ordinary humans. And humans can err. To get a better idea about the hadith, I think the Quran should be used to verify the authenticity of the hadith. Do you realise that you're equating the Quran with the hadith, how does that make sense. What don't you understand in the Quran that you have to look for a reference or an elaboration. The Quran is not a book full of codes that have to be deciphered, as stated in the book itself its clear and complete. However many arguements you might give about the so called "science" of hadith, none of those arguements prove anything without leaving questions. The Quran is the word of God (I think everybody agrees with that), the hadith is not. What are you going to trust. |
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Sarkeranwar
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In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Muhammd, his family, his companions & those who follow the guidance Praise be to Allah This post is to "Reason". There are three types of people who may reject the authentic Sunnah/Ahadith of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). These people are either: 1. Hypocrites 2. Disbelievers 3. Heretics I am not going to analyse as to where you belong among the above three groups of people. I would just ask you a few questions in regard to your practising of Islam, Insha Allah. Here are the questions. Please answer them precisely if you can: 1. If you consider yourself a muslim, you must admit that you would need to perform Iq�mat-as-Sal�t 5 times daily. Now, a. how do determine the "fixed time" of these salat? b. how do you know how many unit you have to perform in each salat? c. how do you know what to recite in each unit? d. what do you say when you bow & prostrate? e. whatever manner you follw in these prayers - who taught you such manner? 2. As a muslim, you must give Zak�t. How do you determine the percentage of Zak�t to be given? 3. How do you perform the rituals of Hajj? 4. We learn from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a human being and was not killed in the cross and Allah raised him to Himself. We also know from the Holy Quran that every living being must die on earth and will be resurrected from there by Allah on the Day of Resurrection. So, in order to die on earth and be resurrected, Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) must decend on earth. We learn from the authentic Ahadith that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) will decend on earth near the end of the time ( after Dajjal and before the Gog and Magog people are let loose!). Now, considering the above rules of the Holy Quran in regard to death and resurrection! Would you then reject Ahadith about the decend of Prophet Isa (peace be upon him)? If you reject, how would you then reconcile Verses from the Holy Quran in regard to the raising of Prophet Isa to Allah Himself and his death & resurrection before the Final Day? Insha Allah, I will show your ignorance and foolishness concerning the rejection of Sunnah/Ahadith after I read your response. I seek Allah's refuge from the accursed Shaytan and his followers from among the jinns and human.
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Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah I like the discussion�.. The Ahadith would not exist if Allah {SWT} had not wished them to. If Allah {SWT} has blessed you, inaccurate Ahadith cannot corrupt you. So there is no reason to reject those tools, right perception will see you through. P.S. I am interested in who people think is currently the most authentic scholar in Islam, and do they have a website that I can look over?
Like the cool artwork rami, I'm feeling it - hip & happening
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Noah
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As this concerns me, i will answer itl, and hope that reason will
take a go at it aswell. Could you point out where in the Quran it says
that people who disbelief telltales nomatter whom they are ascribed to
are heretics? just a single clear verse will do. :)
InshaAllah
Here is an assumption. You assume that there are 5 daily
prayers, based upon hadith. I do not accept hadith as relegious
guidence, in the same way i dont accept the catholic encyclopedia, or
saxo germanico as relegious guidence, but rather historicals writs with
some truths to be found in them.
By reading Quran. verses like 11:115
If there was any importance to this, it would be stated in The
Quran. What however IS stated is how important salat is. Thus, by using
our God given heads, we can figure out that we should do it at the
prescribed times, the number of repetitions are unimportant.
As The Quran outlines numerous reasons for salat, and situations where it is fitting. The uttering should be what is actually on your mind, and what ever help you need from our Rabb. The prayer should however end with the words "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.� And glorify Him greatly." 17:110-111
when i prostrate at the beginning of prayer i say "i submit
myself to the Lord or the worlds" like Abraham said it. And when i
prostrate to finnish prayer, i utter "praise be to Allah who etc..."
Al'Quran. Thus God and his messenger taught me.
I think you are confusing Zakaat & Sadaqa. As
for sadaqa it is whatever we have in access. Or in other words ,we
should freely give out from what we ourself do not need. [al-Baqarah 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants
and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and
some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs
their benefit." They also ask you what to give to (sadaqa)
charity : say, "The excess." The GOD thus clarifies
the revelations for you, that you may reflect,
what rituals? where i Quran are there any mention of any
such rituals? the purpose of hajj is clearly outlined in Quran. It is
to gather ALL mankind, in peacefull debate, and to call Gods name over
the livestock. So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at
hajj?
actually that is not what we learn at all. we learn that ISA
was a teacher from his youth to he became old of age, and that
what happened at the cross what merely an illusion. You are mixing up
Gods words, with bukharis. "And he speaks to the people from the cradle, and in old age, and is from among the upright."3:47 God said:
"O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that
I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the
cradle and in old age......5:111
he died here (unless you will argue that he was taken after he was old of age), no worries. no confusion at all.
Thats odd, because authentic AYAT says that Mohammad does not know
the future, and yet other authentic ayat says very clearly that ISA was
a teacher from his youth to his old age.
there arent any confusion. But youre welcome to post ayat backing up your claim, and then we can take it from there.
Feel free to, im always interrested in learning more Peace
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Noah
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neither would evil people, soddomisers, or peadophiles. That does not mean that it to me is a carte blanche to follow it, just beacuse it is. Peace Noah |
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Maybe you are unable to string more than one sentence together? If you can you may realise that the following two sentences I included, cover your query with regards to that which is corrupt.
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Sarkeranwar
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In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Muhammad, his family, his companions & those who follow the guidance
This post is addressed to Noah
1. Hypocrites 2. Disbelievers 3. Heretics Noah said: As this concerns me, i will answer itl, and hope that reason will take a go at it aswell. Could you point out where in the Quran it says that people who disbelief telltales nomatter whom they are ascribed to are heretics? just a single clear verse will do.
Your question is unclear to me. Please construct the question properly with words separated from each other where applicable.
Noah said: Here is an assumption. You assume that there are 5 daily prayers, based upon hadith. I do not accept hadith as relegious guidence, in the same way i dont accept the catholic encyclopedia, or saxo germanico as relegious guidence, but rather historicals writs with some truths to be found in them. The QURAN only outlines 3 daily prayers. These can be found in 11:115, 17:79 ie.
Your utterance of lies against Allah and His Book about the number of daily prayers does no way constitute that I am making any assumption here! Apart from the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) the Holy Quran also tells us the number of times the muslims need to perform As-salat (Iqamat-as-Salat)! I will leave it for you to find it out from the Holy Quran.
You have quoted Verses 11:115 & 17:79 to support your lies in regard to the number of daily obligatory prayers. Here are the interpreted meanings of those two Verses: 11:115. And be patient; verily, All�h loses not the reward of the good-doers. 17:79. And in some parts of the night (also) offer the Sal�t (prayer) with it (i.e. recite the Qur'an in the prayer), as an additional prayer (Tahajjud optional prayer Naw�fil) for you (O Muhammad SAW
Where the above Verses tell you to pray 3 times daily?
Noah said: By reading Quran. verses like 11:115
Your quoted Verse 11:115 does not say anything about prayers and its fixed hours! Do not attempt to duck the question. Show proper references from the Holy Quran. Explain what is the limit of the fixed time for every salat!.
Noah said: If there was any importance to this, it would be stated in The Quran. What however IS stated is how important salat is. Thus, by using our God given heads, we can figure out that we should do it at the prescribed times, the number of repetitions are unimportant.
Where did Allah tell you that if there was any important in regard to the number of units He would have stated it in the Holy Quran? Bring your evidence.
Where did Allah tell you to use your �God given head� to determine that the numbers of repetitions are unimportant? Where did Allah tell you to use your �God given head� to determine the manners of the prescribed prayers? Show the evidence from the Holy Quran.
Noah said: As The Quran outlines numerous reasons for salat, and situations where it is fitting. The uttering should be what is actually on your mind, and what ever help you need from our Rabb. The prayer should however end with the words "Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.� And glorify Him greatly." 17:110-111
Where does Allah tell you that �the uttering should be what is actually on your mind�? Did He reveal to you a separate Book or did He give you Al-Hikmah? Do not lie against Allah and His religion!
Did not Allah inform us in the following Verse that He had perfected His Religion during the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him)?
5:3. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Isl�m as your religion.
This statement of the Most Glorious means that everything that a muslim needs in regard to his living by Islam has been perfected during the time of Prophet Muhammd (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him). It does not mean that you can utter whatever trashes you have accumulated in your heart in regard to the practices of Islam!
Noah said: when i prostrate at the beginning of prayer i say "i submit myself to the Lord or the worlds" like Abraham said it. And when i prostrate to finnish prayer, i utter "praise be to Allah who etc..."
Where did Allah ask you to say as such in your bowing & prostration during salat prayer? Bring evidence if you are truthful!
Noah said: Al'Quran. Thus God and his messenger taught
Where is in the Al-Quran Allah detailed the manner of the prescribed prayers? Bring evidence!
I see now you are referring to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as the one beside Allah who taught you the manner of prayers! Al-Quran does not tell you the detailed manner of prayers. Then how do you claim that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also taught you the manner of prayer since you do not believe in Sunnah & Ahadith?
Noah said: I think you are confusing Zakaat & Sadaqa. As for sadaqa it is whatever we have in access. Or in other words ,we should freely give out from what we ourself do not need. [al-Baqarah 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and gambling: say, "In them there is a gross sin, and some benefits for the people. But their sinfulness far outweighs their benefit." They also ask you what to give to (sadaqa) charity : say, "The excess." The GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you, that you may reflect, You can think whatever nonsense you want to think! My question was very clear as I have only asked you about Zakat but not Sadaqa. Now, because you cannot answer straight you are resorting to confuse the issue! Moreover, you are translating Verse 2:219 wrongly to suit your line of thinking! There is no mention of either Sadaqa or Zakat in that Verse. Here is the transliteration of Verse 2:219. 2:219. Yas-aloonaka AAani alkhamri waalmaysiri qul feehima ithmun kabeerun wamanafiAAu lilnnasi wa-ithmuhuma akbaru min nafAAihima wayas-aloonaka matha yunfiqoona quli alAAafwa kathalika yubayyinu Allahu lakumu al-ayati laAAallakum tatafakkaroona. Here is one of the much used translations of Verse 2:219 (Hilali & Muhshin Khan). Meaning of Yusuf Ali, Pickthall & Shakir Translations is the same as Hilali & Muhshin Khan. 2:219. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus All�h makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought." How this Verse relate to Zakat or Sadaqa? By Allah's Mercy, I am familiar with your type of people who distort meaning of the Quran to justify their lies. Anyway, the �Zakat� that I asked you about has been mentioned in many Verses of the Holy Quran. Here are two of them: 2:277. Truly those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 5:55. Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer). Now, tell me how do you determine the amount of Zakat to be paid (keep in mind that Islam has been perfected).
Noah said: what rituals? where i Quran are there any mention of any such rituals? the purpose of hajj is clearly outlined in Quran. It is to gather ALL mankind, in peacefull debate, and to call Gods name over the livestock. So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at hajj? What I meant by the rituals is the manner of performing the Hajj. I am not talking here about the purpose of Hajj. I am talking about how you perform Hajj. So do not mix up! Who taught you as to what to do during the Hajj? Surely, there are many rituals which have been described in the Holy Quran (find the Verses by yourself) and many rituals have not been detailed in the Holy Quran. For example, it is a command to do Tawaf during the Hajj. But Quran does not tell us how many times the Tawaf is necessary. Tell me how many times you will do the Tawaf.
Judging from your response, I find you are a much more ignorant individual then what I thought about you initially! Where in the Holy Quran Allah tells you that mankind to gather there in "peaceful debate"? Bring eveidence!
Your statement �So the question is rather WHY do you perform rituals at hajj� is a proof that you have no idea about what the Holy Quran says in regard to performing Hajj!
By the way, what do you understand by the word Manasik?
Noah said: actually that is not what we learn at all. we learn that ISA was a teacher from his youth to he became old of age, and that what happened at the cross what merely an illusion. You are mixing up Gods words, with bukharis. "And he speaks to the people from the cradle, and in old age, and is from among the upright." God said: "O Jesus son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother that I supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and in old age......5:111 First of all you have lied against Allah and His Book by saying that �actually that is not what we learn at all� & �you are mixing up Gods words with Bukharis�. The following Verses are adequate to refute your lies: 4:157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: 4:158. But All�h raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And All�h is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise. Secondly, you have not only quoted the references of the Verses wrongly (should be 3:46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous." 5:110. (Remember) when All�h will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with R�hulQudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity;� Now lets look at some words in Verse 3:110. In your translation you have translated the words �biroohi alqudusi� as the �Holy Spirit�! What a liar!! Where on earth you found the meanings of these words as such?
Noah said: he died here (unless you will argue that he was taken after he was old of age), no worries. no confusion at all.
You are again lying! Show evidence from the Holy Quran that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) died here!
Noah said: Thats odd, because authentic AYAT says that Mohammad does not know the future, and yet other authentic ayat says very clearly that ISA was a teacher from his youth to his old age.
Surely, it would be odd for the ignorant people like you! If you had the understanding of the Holy Quran you would have known that the Messengers whom Allah has chosen are given the information of the unseen as much as He likes! Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): 72:26. "(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)." 72:27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him. 72:28. [He (All�h) protects them (the Messengers)], till He sees that they (the Messengers) have conveyed the Messages of their Lord (All�h). And He (All�h) surrounds all that which is with them, and He (All�h) keeps count of all things (i.e. He knows the exact number of everything). Apart from the above Verses, we learn from the following Verse that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had the knowledge of unseen as much as Allah liked him to have it. Otherwise, the statement �he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen� will have no meaning. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): 81:24. And he (Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) withholds not a knowledge of the unseen. Which Ayat says that Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) was a teacher from his youth to old age? Bring evidence if you are truthful!
Noah said: there arent any confusion. But youre welcome to post ayat backing up your claim, and then we can take it from there.
Of course there are no confusions in Islam. It is only people like you who are confused! Well, you have my response above where I have quoted the relevant Verses!
Noah said: Feel free to, im always interrested in learning more
I have proven that you are a heretic who wrongly translates the Holy Quran. I have also proven your disbelief and hypocrisy. You disbelieved in Allah�s revelation in many of your statements as I have proved with appropriate Verses. Your hypocrisy has been exposed. You say you believe but in reality you do not believe! Listen Noah, I know you are a big liar and you have persisted in your lies against Allah�s revelation and religion as evident from this post and your other posts here. You should however note that Allah guides not the liars, hypocrites & disbelievers. So, if you fear Allah and His punishment then stop your great evil of spreading disbelief and lies. You should repent and beg Allah to forgive you.
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Your
quoted Verse 11:115 does not say anything about prayers and its
fixed hours! Do not attempt to duck the question. Show proper
references from the Holy Quran. Explain what is the limit of the fixed
time for every salat!.
Where
did Allah tell you that if there was any important in regard to the
number of units He would have stated it in the Holy Quran? Bring your
evidence.
actually Allah make itperfectly clear that we should use our common sense:
isnt it pretty obvious that we are to use our common sense, or face the consequences?
where does Allah in his book tell you to parrot the first verse of his own work back to him?
im not the one with a second book bro. I follow THE book, and no other books, like bukharis books, or muslims books, or maliks books. I follow none of those, so there is great irony in you saying this to me.
5:3.
This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour
upon you, and have chosen for you Isl�m as your religion. This
statement of the Most Glorious means that everything that a muslim
needs in regard to his living by Islam has been perfected during the
time of Prophet Muhammd (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him).
It does not mean that you can utter whatever trashes you have
accumulated in your heart in regard to the practices of Islam!
"Rabbi inn salamtu nafsin, wa aslamtu
ma'a Sulaimaana, lillaahi rabbiul aalameen" which means,
"... Oh my Lord, indeed I have wronged my soul. I SUBMIT
MYSELF ALONG WITH SOLOMON, TO GOD THE LORD OF THE WORLDS"
Sura, 27:44.
indeed he deliveres the Quran alhamdulilah
then you should try and read it again :)
Because what he came with was the Quran. what Bukhari, and muslim, and malik etc came with, was sunnah and hadith.
Moreover,
you are translating Verse 2:219 wrongly to suit your line of thinking!
There is no mention of either Sadaqa or Zakat in that Verse. Here is
the transliteration of Verse 2:219. 2:219. Yas-aloonaka AAani alkhamri waalmaysiri qul feehima ithmun kabeerun wamanafiAAu lilnnasi wa-ithmuhuma akbaru min nafAAihima wayas-aloonaka matha yunfiqoona quli alAAafwa kathalika yubayyinu Allahu lakumu al-ayati laAAallakum tatafakkaroona. Here
is one of the much used translations of Verse 2:219 (Hilali &
Muhshin Khan). Meaning of Yusuf Ali, Pickthall & Shakir Translations is the same as Hilali & Muhshin Khan. 2:219. They ask you (O Muhammad SAW)
concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin,
and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their
benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus All�h makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought." How this Verse relate to Zakat or Sadaqa? try and read your own translation, how obvious can it get when you look at the context of the whole surah.
2:277. Truly those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, they will have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 5:55.
Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and
the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give
Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer). Now, tell me how do you determine the amount of Zakat to be paid (keep in mind that Islam has been perfected). the question has been answered full length here
If you do not understand the purpose of the hajj the rest of the question is pretty much invalid.
�So that they may witness benefits for themselves and recall God�s name in the appointed days over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. So eat from it and feed the needy and the poor. Then let them complete their duties and fulfill their vows, and let them partake at the ancient sanctuary.� (Quran 22:28-29) Here are the three reasons people would gather: - To be made aware of the system established by God for the people. - To witness benefits for themselves. - To recall God�s name over the animal livestock. The first
objective of making �Pilgrimage� is to share with all mankind
the system of laws and government and teachings that God has
decreed to us through the Prophets
well why dont you show it to me then? :)
rites
So , now we know for a fact that they didnt kill him. and that God made an illusion appear to them.
This happens to everybody. where did this "(with his body and soul)" come from?
3:46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous." 5:110. (Remember)
when All�h will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa
(Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your
mother when I supported you with R�h�ul�Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity;� Now lets look at some words in Verse 3:110. In your translation you have translated the words �biroohi alqudusi� as the �Holy Spirit�! What a liar!! Where on earth you found the meanings of these words as such? it has been answered here in detail
it has been answered here in detail
you are missing my point. but it has been asnwered here allready
no you have proven that YOU have an oppinion, wich is good, i respect that.
Where is it that you have proven that?
yeah whatever
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