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Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

I don;t agree that faith implies God's existence.

Faith,as mentioned in Hebrews 11:1 is 'the substance(assurance) of things hoped for , the evidence of things not seen. (that could mean anything then)

I agree. However, when you have faith, you actually do believe that even though you've not seen/heard/touched/smelled God, he still exists out there. Looking for further evidence to personally satisfy yourself is an additional plus.


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Yep brother, He absolutely does exist out there

Bonuses/rewards/blessings come when we are faithful. Isn;t it great?!
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:I wonder why you ask others what faith implies. Our opinion, to you, really doesn't account for much. The best person to ask is yourself? Or does your question take on some so far, unknown agenda?

No agenda. I just don't beliveve in god and I'm curious what other people's opinion/motives are.
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:In much the same way you have faith the sun will appear tomorrow morning. How do you know it will? You don't!
--- Sorry, that's below the intellectual level I can afford to go under.

Bottom line - you just know what that it exists. Right?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Usmani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2010 at 10:49am
No agenda. I just don't beliveve in god and I'm curious what other people's opinion/motives are.
 
 
The One Who created you,Created this earth and rest of universe up there,He is God.He Claimed it through the message He send for human with all logic which can satisfy human brain.
 
He is keep claiming this since the first man came to this earth.
 
No one else ever claimed the ownership of all forgoing.
Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Thought so. You'd want more of a logical and practical explanation rather than these type of opinions, and I'd be of the same lookout if I were you.

The best way to start would be to know what makes you think God doesn't exist. Atheists usually argue that if God did exist we'd atleast be able to see, hear, touch or smell him. Sorry, but if there's an intelligence which is extremely below par to me, its this one. You can't see wind, you can only feel it. You can't hear sound, only hear it. How many things are there billions and trillions of light years away. How many things are there at molecular level, wait everything is! People couldn't see all this back then, only with the discoveries of powerful telescopes and microscopes did this become possible and humans were able to move a step ahead from the limited human sense. And now they think they're capable of tracing every existence? Oh please. How many waves do we know (radio, electromagnetic, etc etc) which we can't see, hear, in many cases even feel or sense. Yet they exist. If they can, then how the heck can the creator of this perfect, highly complicated and magnificently systemized universe can't in a similar way? If to sense the many creatures created by God, people can't, then any human brain with a decent IQ level would understand that it'd be more to sense the creator, God. Strike one Smile

There are things which you can only just feel. Pain would be one of the best examples. You don't see it, don't hear it, don't taste it and don't smell it. You can only feel it. That's what muslims mean when they say they can 'feel God'. You obviously can't expect someone else to feel your pain. I believe God has, out of the five senses a human has, given the human the ability to feel which would make him feel God's presence. Imagine yourself in a position before you were of this belief, you were in a plane and the plane was about to crash, or a time bomb was about to go off next to you within a few seconds, what'd be your first words, or even reaction? "Oh God!" That's right, this is nothing but a natural feeling that exists . . . that sense of feeling which develops in a desperate situation, that some greater power out there exists, only which has the power to listen to your cry of desperation. Undeniably humans also have this sense and feeling of right and wrong. You somehow seem to realize what's right and what's wrong naturally. Don't deny, its there. Don't even bother kidding yourself by saying you don't have these feelings anymore, because if so, you've just rejected them, since God has also given you the freedom to choose what you may. Strike two. Smile

Asked you this question before, you didn't answer it. Who'd best be able to tell me how, say, a complex machine works? The manufacturer, or a designer or a creator, or whatever you wanna call it, right? I doubt you've looked into it with an open mind, but the Quran is the only, I repeat, the only glorious book to ever exist which speaks of countless facts, so much so that I can't even think of going into details here, about the universe and the entire creatures in earth, which science is only starting to discover now. Now, imagine who else would be able to explain all of this 1400 years ago, when no such thing as microscopes, telescopes, biological science, physics, astronomy, etc etc existed? One fact might have been a fluke, two might have, three, four, five, sorry, the human brain stops at this point from further believing all of that might have been a fluke. If you're really not an ignorant who's just to deny God's exstence and really want to go with wits and different angles and views in deciding God's existence you'd definitely look into this.  I assure you, you'll be utterly shocked as to what you discover regarding Quran and modern sceince. Oh, and this was strike three. Big%20smile





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I think you have given great examples to elijah boy, though I think he will probably not appreciate it.

And elijah boy..tell me this..will the sun be there tomorrow? How do you know. It might not. COnvince me then it will please, cos we just don;t know.

And you prove to us here that God doesn't exist as I am sure globally there are more believing in God than not. SO, what are you then? Sounds like you are lost to me.

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USMANI:
 
: The One Who created you,Created this earth and rest of universe up there, He is God
==== If your point is that you belive that god exist because he created this world, then why are you sure that he created it indeed? (For me, you defining one unknown with trhough the other)
 
: Claimed it through the message
=== Should I understand it this way: the existence of quran itself is valid enough reasont o beleive that god exists?
 
:He send for human with all logic which can satisfy human brain.
==== It is not satisfying my brain, so that poses a question:
Clearly not everybody see the message satisfying enough, majority of earth population disagrees. How did that happen?
 
: No one else ever claimed the ownership of all forgoing.
=== Well... no one claimed that Space Goblins are the creators of this world. That doesn't make them real.
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