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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote schmikbob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:46pm
I think think this revolves around what the limits of "free" speech should be.  Should you be allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded theater?  The answer is obviously not.  But why not?  Well, for starters, because you endanger lives by your speech in that any "reasonable" person would bolt for the exit upon hearing that there was a fire.  However, should someone burning the Quran in a building in Florida be protected speech.  I would argue "yes" because a "reasonable" person is not incited to riot, murder, or mayhem as a result.  Quite possibly this comes down to what you consider a reasonable persons reaction to be.         
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote schmikbob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 April 2011 at 8:48pm
Issa, please tell me that you don't believe your posts are more emphatic or grammatically correct when you capitalize every word.  To me it simply means that you have no idea what proper English grammer is.
 
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Yeah schmikbob, I agree that we're dealing with a First Amendment issue here, but as I mentioned the UK law against against racial and religious hatred, maybe "free speech" in the US needs a little tweaking during these extraordinary times we are living....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pure_columbian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2011 at 2:24am
Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:

Your response about breaking laws in country of origin is known and understood, however my question is; does rhetoric have consequences and responsibilities?  Should the pastor be absolved of any and all responsibility for what has taken place as a result of his action?

 
As much as i disagree with the pastors actions i'm going to stick my head out and say yes he should be absolved. My reasons are
1) his action was not a criminal action in the place where the action took place
2) We are all responsible for our own actions.
3) We decide ourselves how we respond to the actions of others. 
 
Lets flip this around and lets just say he did not burn the Quran, and Mr John Doe, a right wing ultra conservative became disappoint at the non-burning and decided that he was going to go on a rampage in protest at the pastor for NOT burning the quran.  Would the pastor still be held accountable for actions of Mr John Doe? afterall it was because of his action to NOT burn the Quran that Mr John Doe went and did what he did.
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Originally posted by schmikbob schmikbob wrote:

Issa, please tell me that you don't believe your posts are more emphatic or grammatically correct when you capitalize every word.  To me it simply means that you have no idea what proper English grammer is.
 
 
 
You Know What Soooo Funny About People Like Yourself You Always Look For Excuses When You Can't Deal With The Facts / Truth , So Let Me Say This One More Time When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman )  , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) .  Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) ,  And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) .  If You Knew Anything About Tones You Would Know This . Overstand Something Trying To Flip / Change The Subject  Never Change The Truth / Facts , Ok .
 
By The Way . < Belief & Believe" are two of the most deceptive words in religion.  Belief is ignorance.  Belief is to ignore the facts, intentionally or ignorantly.  If one has to believe, it means he or she does not know, and if one does not know, that is ignorance.  Anyone can believe anything and this means that a person can believe, and be 100% wrong.  But knowledge is knowing and knowledge is correct information.  "To know" gives one confidence, but belief infers doubt. To believe is to accept things that you do don't know .Either you know or you don't.  Once you know - then you no longer have to believe and belief is the fuel of most religions.
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If Your Looking For Someone To Feed You Ego I'm Not The One Overstand . It's Best You Let It Go .
 
It's Not The Things One Knows That Get Him Or Her In Trouble , Its The Things One Knows That Just Isn't So !

 
 
 


Edited by IssaEl999 - 07 April 2011 at 7:25am
El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) .
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You Know What Soooo Funny About People Like Yourself You Always Look For Excuses When You Can't Deal With The Facts / Truth , So Let Me Say This One More Time When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman )  , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) .  Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) ,  And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) .  If You Knew Anything About Tones You Would Know This . Overstand Something Trying To Flip / Change The Subject  Never Change The Truth / Facts , Ok .
 
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IssaEl999, are you a Rastafari by any chance? I know they use the word "Overstand" a fair bit.
 
By the way which dialect of english are you speaking?
As far as i can recall when i was taught english in the schools i went to in England the teachers always said the capital letter was to be used on the first word of a sentence and not at the beginning of every word within the sentence.
Would be much obliged if you could enlighten me, maybe they've been teaching us the wrong way to write sentences and you in fact are writing sentences in the correct way. LOL
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 April 2011 at 9:36am
Well fair enough pure columbian from a legalese standpoint, however given that we are living in a global village and actions by a relatively obscure individual in small town American could, and did have dire consequences across nation boarders, is there not at least some moral responsibility/accountability we can ask of Pastor Jones?
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Originally posted by pure_columbian pure_columbian wrote:

 
You Know What Soooo Funny About People Like Yourself You Always Look For Excuses When You Can't Deal With The Facts / Truth , So Let Me Say This One More Time When You Hear People Speaking ( English ) . You Are Trained To Think ( Englishman )  , When In Fact All The Americans Who Are Speaking ( English ) .  Are Not Speaking ( English ) Which Is Spoken In England And Europe . The Americans Speak A Very ( Bad Dialect Of Broken English ) ,  And In Fact Are Speaking An ( Unintelligent Slang ) .  If You Knew Anything About Tones You Would Know This . Overstand Something Trying To Flip / Change The Subject  Never Change The Truth / Facts , Ok .
 
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IssaEl999, are you a Rastafari by any chance? I know they use the word "Overstand" a fair bit.
 
By the way which dialect of english are you speaking?
As far as i can recall when i was taught english in the schools i went to in England the teachers always said the capital letter was to be used on the first word of a sentence and not at the beginning of every word within the sentence.Would be much obliged if you could enlighten me, maybe they've been teaching us the wrong way to write sentences and you in fact are writing sentences in the correct way. LOL
 
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Let's Be Real Here Ok , If I Were Writeing What People Wanted To Read ,
No One Would Say Anything . ( Would They '' No ) . People Always Looking For Away To Label Other , When They Don't THINK / ACT / BELIEVE / ACCEPT , Things The Way They Do . That's Because They're Use To Being Control , To Act , Think , Believe , Accept , Follow , Things A Certain Way .
 
Read Below Ok LOLLOLLOL
 
 If you go to any Country you will find that they speak more than one language , Except for America . There are very few Countries that only speak on Language , And if you are Latino and know Spanish , They will try and make you Stop Speaking Spanish and won't give you a job . If you speak Arabic , Housa or ( Whatever Language You Speak ) , They want you to stop speaking it and speak English to get your Mind Trapped In English , Because they control The Phonetics of English . They control The Emotion ( E-Motion , Energy In Motion ) , That comes behind English . They're trying to make America One Language , But it have too many Immigrants and too many other Languages , So the only way to get a call Congress to get all these other Languages out , Without making it look like they are Anti 0 United Nations , Is to fabricate other Code Of Arms . I know And You Know People Don't Want Their Children Talking Ebonics .
 
The following article give you an Idea of what I'm Talking about . Taken from '' The Atlanta Journal - Constitution '' Newspaper , Sunday , September 12 , 1999 A,D. Issue , Entitled '' Watch Your Language - Workers Fighting Back Against English - Only Polices On The Job '' By Martha Irvine And it states '' Carlos Solero Couldn't Believe His Ears When His Bosses Started Reprimanding Him For Speaking Spanish On The Job . '' Even If I Was Sining To Myself Or Just Mumbling , I Would Get A Warning '' , The 31 - Year - Old Assembly - Line Worker Says Of The '' English Only '' Policy His Bosses Instituted At A Suburban Chicago Manufacturing Plant Two Years Ago . The Company Said The Policy Was Needed To Improve Communication On Its Assembly Line . Eventually , Solero Was Asked To Sign A Work Agreement That Included The Policy , But He Refused . '' I Told Them , 'You Cannot Shut Me Up , '' Says Solero , Who Was Fired Three Days Later .
 
NoteHe And Seven Other Spanish - Speakers And The Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Have Filed Lawsuits . Against Watlow Batavia , A Metal - Casting And Assembly Plant In Batavia , lll . Legal Experts Say It's Part Of A Growing Movement Against Employers Who Try To Force Workers To Speak English On The Job , '' I Think We're Going To See More And More Of These Types Of Lawsuits , Especially As The Population Of Immigrants Grows And More Languages Are Spoken In The Workplace , '' Says Jose Behar , An EEOC Attorney Handling The Ageney's Lawsuit Against Watlow

By The Way I Don't Give Out Personal Information , But I Can Speak Three Diffrent Language .
 
 
 
 
IssaEl999, are you a Rastafari by any chance? I know they use the word "Overstand" a fair bit.
 
By the way which dialect of english are you speaking?
As far as i can recall when i was taught english in the schools i went to in England the teachers always said the capital letter was to be used on the first word of a sentence and not at the beginning of every word within the sentence.Would be much obliged if you could enlighten me, maybe they've been teaching us the wrong way to write sentences and you in fact are writing sentences in the correct way
 
 < They Were Converting You To Their Way Of Life / Maybe You Should Research The English Language / That If Your Really Want Know Where It Came From >
 


Edited by IssaEl999 - 07 April 2011 at 1:09pm
El's Holy Qur'aan , States In Chapter 17 ; 81 , '' And Say ; Truth Has ( Now ) Arrived , And Falsehood Perished ; For Falsehood Is ( By Its Nature ) Bound To Perish (81 ) .
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