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My goodness, so we can't even have a moral and ethical position in the interest of safest course? "... to to have as little interaction with other people as possible." My focus isn't so broad.  My concern is with hate speech. Let me say, I applaud the UK law which makes it a criminal offense to deny the Holocaust as hate speech.  When reflecting on the atrocities of fascism, who but an evil and vile individual would assert it never even happened!  Surely their only intention is to foment trouble/hate.  Would you not agree? The Florida Pastor was advised by the highest levels of our government that his actions could place American lives in jeopardy.  Young men and women fighting a counter-insurgency directly in harms way; attempting to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people.  He was counseled by faith based organizations throughout our nation against burning the Quran, but ignored both official warnings and those of fellow citizens. And he doesn't even bear moral responsibility?  I think America should adopt a similar "hate speech" law as in the UK.  The world is just entirely too dangerous to allow unmitigated hate.


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My goodness, so we can't even have a moral and ethical position in the interest of safest course?�"... to to have as little interaction with other people as possible." My focus isn't so broad.� My concern is with hate speech. Let me say, I applaud the UK law which makes it a criminal offense to deny the Holocaust as hate speech.� When reflecting on the atrocities of fascism, who but an evil and vile individual would assert it never even happened!� Surely their only intention is to foment trouble/hate.� Would you not agree? The Florida Pastor was advised by the highest levels of our government that his actions could place American lives in jeopardy.� Young men and women fighting a counter-insurgency directly in harms way; attempting to win�the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. �He was counseled by faith based organizations throughout our nation against burning the Quran, but ignored both official warnings and those of fellow citizens.�And he doesn't even bear moral responsibility? �I think America should adopt a similar "hate speech" law as in the UK.� The world is just entirely too dangerous to allow unmitigated hate.


I am trying to figure out how this had to do with my initial post. Anyway since we have digressed from the original post I will comment. I support this preacher, even though his actions are counter-christian I believe all Americans have a right to freedom of speech. Yes indeed his speech endangered the lives of Americans but his behavior and the reactions that follows has exposed the kind of culture Afghans have. If Islam were to have any kind of face the world can only look at the reactions. When Muslims say "Islam is peace" and are adherents to such doctrine, how do muslims explain the murder of the people there for an action of one man? Where are the orthodox teachings?

If Muslims there call themselves following orthodox teachings then their reactions do a poor job. Wasn't there a story where the prophet Muhammad had a lady dumped trash on him when he passed all the way until she was sick yet the prophet visited her and prayed for her?

So if the world continues to dump trash on muslims are muslims simply going to dump the same trash back on them? The time for self responsibility starts now. Citing how much this psycho preacher was warned is no excuse for murder. Besides palestinians call (and do) stuff worse to Jews.

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My goodness, so we can't even have a moral and ethical position in the interest of safest course? "... to to have as little interaction with other people as possible." My focus isn't so broad.  My concern is with hate speech. Let me say, I applaud the UK law which makes it a criminal offense to deny the Holocaust as hate speech.  When reflecting on the atrocities of fascism, who but an evil and vile individual would assert it never even happened!  Surely their only intention is to foment trouble/hate.  Would you not agree? The Florida Pastor was advised by the highest levels of our government that his actions could place American lives in jeopardy.  Young men and women fighting a counter-insurgency directly in harms way; attempting to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people.  He was counseled by faith based organizations throughout our nation against burning the Quran, but ignored both official warnings and those of fellow citizens. And he doesn't even bear moral responsibility?  I think America should adopt a similar "hate speech" law as in the UK.  The world is just entirely too dangerous to allow unmitigated hate.


I am trying to figure out how this had to do with my initial post. Anyway since we have digressed from the original post I will comment. I support this preacher, even though his actions are counter-christian I believe all Americans have a right to freedom of speech. Yes indeed his speech endangered the lives of Americans but his behavior and the reactions that follows has exposed the kind of culture Afghans have. If Islam were to have any kind of face the world can only look at the reactions. When Muslims say "Islam is peace" and are adherents to such doctrine, how do muslims explain the murder of the people there for an action of one man? Where are the orthodox teachings?

If Muslims there call themselves following orthodox teachings then their reactions do a poor job. Wasn't there a story where the prophet Muhammad had a lady dumped trash on him when he passed all the way until she was sick yet the prophet visited her and prayed for her?

So if the world continues to dump trash on muslims are muslims simply going to dump the same trash back on them? The time for self responsibility starts now. Citing how much this psycho preacher was warned is no excuse for murder. Besides palestinians call (and do) stuff worse to Jews.
 
 
You Know  I Have Been Reading This Post And A Few Of You Other Post . You Wear A Mask One Minute Your CryCry  The Next Your Attacking Muslims Your Full Of S*** Any Body In Their Right Mind Knows That Preacher Wrong . You Also Speak Of The Palestinian . How Would Like If Some Come And Take Your House / Land And Start Building On It , And Don't Come With That Lie God Gave Them That Land , You Also Speak Of Other Teaching . That Tell Me You Know Nothing Of Bible Because If You Did You'll Know What It Says About The So-called Jew In John 8 ; 44 , And Don't Come With That Anti -Bull S**** Because That Another Trick The So-called Jews Use To Make The Fool Like You Believe Some One Picking On Them . Now Before You Say Some Silly Like Thinking I'm Muslims I'm Not .
 
 

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A United Nations commission says it�s facing obstacles from the Israeli government ahead of its probe of alleged war crimes during Israel�s three-week assault on Gaza earlier this year. The commission is probing allegations of war crimes committed by both Israeli forces and Hamas fighters. But inquiry head Richard Goldstone says his team will likely have to enter Gaza through Egypt, because Israel has refused to cooperate.
Richard Goldstone: �It would have been our wish to start there, to visit southern Israel, Sderot, to go into Gaza through the front door to go to the West Bank, which is also included in our mission. I made a number of approaches to the Israeli ambassador in Geneva, even a direct approach to Prime Minister Netanyahu, but we�ve really received no official response.�
Goldstone says his team plans on holding public hearings for Gaza residents to share their testimony. More than 1,400 Palestinians were killed during the Israeli attack, most of them civilians. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said Israel will ignore the inquiry�s mission.

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon: �We have shown the UN all the documents, all the data, and I think we put this issue behind us. And certainly, there should never be a moral equivalency drawn between terrorists and those who fight terrorism. And any attempt to try to single out Israel and to investigate this preposterous suggestion of war crimes is just ridiculous, and of course Israel will not cooperate with such an idea.�


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Israel Vows Continued Settlement Building as Obama, Abbas Meet

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visits the White House today for his first meeting with President Obama since Obama�s inauguration. Ahead of Abbas�s arrival, the Obama administration renewed calls for Israel to stop settlement construction in the Occupied Territories. But Israeli officials, meanwhile, said they�ll continue expanding settlements to accommodate so-called �natural growth� amongst settler communities.

Israeli Figures Attribute Settlement Growth to Migration

Israel says it needs to keep building to meet the housing needs of growing settler families. But recent Israeli government statistics show a large percentage of settlement growth was caused by settlers moving in from outside the territories. Despite its call for a settlement freeze, the Obama administration has still refused to demand Israel dismantle any of the large settlements that carve up the West Bank and that the World Court has deemed illegal. In Ramallah, independent Palestinian lawmaker Mustafa Barghouti called on the US to exert meaningful pressure on the Israeli government.
Mustafa Barghouti: �I believe that the Palestinian president should demand American immediate, clear-cut pressure on Israel. Without American pressure on Israel, there can be no progress for peace and there can be great threat to the idea of peace based on two-state solution.�
Report: Israel Taking Vast Majority of West Bank Water

A new World Bank study says Israel is now drawing four times as much water as Palestinians from a critical shared aquifer in the Occupied West Bank. Palestinians are taking just one-fifth of the water supply amidst a fifth consecutive drought this year.
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Meanwhile the United Nations� special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, Richard Falk, accused Israel Monday of committing war crimes in Gaza. Falk called for an independent inquiry to examine possible war crimes committed by both Israel and Hamas.

Richard Falk: �The overall ratio of deaths 1,434 on the Palestinian side, 13 on the Israeli side, is suggestive of the one-sidedness of the military encounter, and provides a basis for challenging the legality of initiating a military assault with modern weaponry against an essentially defenseless society.

Richard Falk also accused Israel of preventing Palestinian civilians from fleeing the military assault.

Richard Falk: �This indictment of Israeli tactics is strongly reinforced by a feature of the military operations that is unique in contemporary warfare: namely, coercively confining the Gazan civilian population to the combat zone during the Israeli military operations. This effectively denied to all Palestinians in Gaza the option of becoming refugees. Such a war policy should be treated as a distinct and new crime against humanity, and should be formally recognized as such, and explicitly prohibited."

Israel dismissed Falks report saying it was part of a pattern of demonizing Israel by the United Nations. The UN�s special rapporteur on the right to food, Olivier de Schutter, also criticized Israel�s attack on Gaza and suggested Israeli officials could be tried outside of Israel if Israel does not investigate possible war crimes.


Olivier de Schutter: �We would like to emphasise that the primary responsibility of ensuring the respect of international humanitarian law, lies with the national justice system. Should the Israeli military or civilian justice system adequately and transparently investigate allegations of violations of the laws of war and if necessary prosecute those responsible, the IDF has no reason to fear that its officers will face indictments in foreign jurisdictions.�

On Monday, Israeli Army spokesperson Major Avital Leibovitch defended Israel�s actions and disputed a report that Israeli troops targeted Palestinian medical facilities.

Major Avital Leibovitch: �The IDF has decided to open a thorough investigation, investigation was not complete yet, and when it will be complete we will be more than happy to share the details with the public. We know that we can say today for a fact that the IDF soldiers were instructed to take very good care of the different medical facilities and medical vehicles in the area in Gaza.�

Parents of Tristan Anderson Call For Israel to Take Responsibility For Shooting
In other news from the region, the parents of the American peace activist Tristan Anderson flew to Israel yesterday to see their son who remains in critical condition in a medically induced coma. Israeli troops shot Anderson in the head with a high-velocity tear gas canister. Tristan�s mother, Nancy Anderson said: �We are scared and really still in shock. To shoot peaceful demonstrators is really horrifying to us. What we want to ask is that the Israeli government publicly take full responsibility for the shooting of our son.� The words of Nancy Anderson.



Israeli Troops Shoot US Activist in West Bank ..

An American activist from Oakland, California was critically injured Friday when Israeli soldiers fired a tear gas canister directly at his head during a weekly nonviolent protest against the wall in the West Bank village of N�alin. Thirty-seven-year-old Tristan Anderson is the fourth member of the International Solidarity Movement to be critically injured or killed by the Israeli military since 2003.

Jonathan Pollack of the ISM: �He was shot at directly with a tear gas projectile, with an extended range tear gas projectile from about fifty to sixty meters. And the impact caused several condensed fractures to his skull and collapsation of his eye socket. He was operated on in the hospital a few hours later in critical condition, and large portions of his frontal lobe had to be removed, because it was splattered with bone fragments as a result of the impact of the tear gas canister.�

During their weekly demonstrations since last April, four unarmed N�alin residents have been killed and over 400 injured by the Israeli Defense Forces.


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Originally posted by IssaEl999 IssaEl999 wrote:

Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

Originally posted by abuayisha abuayisha wrote:



My goodness, so we can't even have a moral and ethical position in the interest of safest course?�"... to to have as little interaction with other people as possible." My focus isn't so broad.� My concern is with hate speech. Let me say, I applaud the UK law which makes it a criminal offense to deny the Holocaust as hate speech.� When reflecting on the atrocities of fascism, who but an evil and vile individual would assert it never even happened!� Surely their only intention is to foment trouble/hate.� Would you not agree? The Florida Pastor was advised by the highest levels of our government that his actions could place American lives in jeopardy.� Young men and women fighting a counter-insurgency directly in harms way; attempting to win�the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. �He was counseled by faith based organizations throughout our nation against burning the Quran, but ignored both official warnings and those of fellow citizens.�And he doesn't even bear moral responsibility? �I think America should adopt a similar "hate speech" law as in the UK.� The world is just entirely too dangerous to allow unmitigated hate.
I am trying to figure out how this had to do with my initial post. Anyway since we have digressed from the original post I will comment. I support this preacher, even though his actions are counter-christian I believe all Americans have a right to freedom of speech. Yes indeed his speech endangered the lives of Americans but his behavior and the reactions that follows has exposed the kind of culture Afghans have. If Islam were to have any kind of face the world can only look at the reactions. When Muslims say "Islam is peace" and are adherents to such doctrine, how do muslims explain the murder of the people there for an action of one man? Where are the orthodox teachings? If Muslims there call themselves following orthodox teachings then their reactions do a poor job. Wasn't there a story where the prophet Muhammad had a lady dumped trash on him when he passed all the way until she was sick yet the prophet visited her and prayed for her? So if the world continues to dump trash on muslims are muslims simply going to dump the same trash back on them? The time for self responsibility starts now. Citing how much this psycho preacher was warned is no excuse for murder. Besides palestinians call (and do) stuff worse to Jews.

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First off the sign of an ignorant person is the fact that you have to use profane language to respond. I wasn't crying, and actually Abuayisha, SignReader and many others here do the crying for me by them always posting articles how how muslims are victims. I was merely exposing how this forum shows double standards which really doesn't show true Islamic teachings. For instance, let's take your behavior for example.

If indeed you are a follower of Muhammad why was profanity one of the first things that come out of your mouth? Not to mention insults? I didn't use profanity nor use insults towards Muslims I merely question behavior. I am so sorry but the world cannot easily separate people from religion, we live in a highly visual world where sometmez the look on the outside counts.

Not to mention your tiresome attempt to show me proof about the Israeli state. Just because I am Jewish doesn't mean I am pro-israel, I am actually against it for the record, and seeing how you are new I guess you missed that post some time ago. But even though I am against it I am not pro-Jihad in getting it back. The fighting is over and done. The surroundig Arab countries had their chance and failed. So get over it!

My wife is also Palestinian and although I respect her heritage and culture I definiely don't respect the hate within some of the people within that culture. Not only were they racist they didn't give me a chance to extend my arm for a handshake. I had to ask if they followed islam, and I was told yes, so much so that they pray five times a day, go to friday prayers and one of her brothers is studying to be a Scholar yet, they hate all Jews....hmmmm hate? Doesn't seem compatible with what Islam teaches right? That's a brief history about me for you, but more importantly my views on this preacher is apparent.

I in any way, shape, or form, condone this preacher at all but he has a right to do whatever he wants, so long as he doesn't threaten or infringe the freedom of others.

It shouldn't be against the law if someone denies the holocaust, or someone believing Muhammad was nothing more than a pedophile. All of these are forms of opinionated expressions and if the Afghan people are silly enough to listen and go berserk over some nutjob then it not only exposes the irrational mindset but the inability to cope with severe criticism of their religion.

So while you guys cry "the preacher, the preacher" some people lost their lives because a few Afghan nut jobs cannot handle criticism. You guys wonder why people think Islam is a violent religion. Of course I make no attempts to criticize islam in any way shape or form but I do see double standards here, and you Issa are one of them.

My original intent was indeed to come here and learn no to complain or cry about this or that but to sincerely learn. Now look what happens when I post a bit of that frustration this whole thread turns into about what some crazy preacher did. Instead of respectfully addressing the issue you guys turn it into who can whine the loudest. By the way Issa you're whinning win Abuayisha, and SignReader right behind you.
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Ok Issa, I had to re-read your post and you claim to NOT be muslim, my mistake however you have horrible grammar. Is English your second language?

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Ok Issa, I had to re-read your post and you claim to NOT be muslim, my mistake however you have horrible grammar. Is English your second language?
 
Small Minded Insult Are Expect < my mistake however you have horrible grammar. Is English your second language? > But I Know You Got My Point  . Sorry I Didn't Read All Your Testimony I  Careless  About Your Personal Life . And If I WERE A Muslims I Wouldn't  Be A Shame To Say It . And If I Were To Explain Where The So-called English Language Come From , I Might Get In A Little Trouble , With A Few People Here . But Hey When Your Looking For Excuses You'll Find One Right . Abuayisha, and SignReader Are Just Like You Looking For Pat On The Head / Someone To  Agree WithThem  All Awhile In Their Slick Way Insulting / Attacking Others . If You Have Thin Skin You Should Beware What Your Asking For . The Labeling Game It Out Dated , It Use By The Weak And Those Who Fear Other , Who Try To Get Other To Accept Their Close minded Thought . Meaning . You Three Like To Throw Rock And Hide Your Hands LOL. O - By The Way Stop Lying You Came Here To Attack / Insult Muslim In Your Slick Way Like You Did In The Above Post . But When It Came Your Turn You  Wanted To  Pull The Picking On Me Card . Part Of You Nature To Play The Anti-Card  Right  .


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Israeli Troops Fire on Palestinian Protests

In Israel and the Occupied Territories, four Palestinians were wounded Sunday near the Al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied East Jerusalem. Israeli police fired rubber bullets and stun grenades at Palestinians who were trying to block a group of militant Israeli settlers from entering the mosque compound. Another seven Palestinians were arrested. The attack comes two days after Israeli troops disrupted a series of protests against the West Bank separation wall. Israeli police fired tear gas at demonstrations near at least three Palestinian villages: Burin, Nil�in and Bil�in. The demonstrators had tried to remove barbed wire placed around the wall when Israeli troops fired the tear gas.

Report: Israel Conditions Palestinian Cellular Network on War Crimes Probe

In other news, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz is reporting Israel has threatened the Palestinian Authority with revoking a vital cell phone network unless the PA drops a request for an International Criminal Court probe of alleged Israeli war crimes. The PA submitted the request after a UN inquiry found Israel had committed war crimes in its attack on the Gaza Strip and recommended a potential ICC investigation. Israel has reportedly warned it could judge the PA�s request for a second cellular provider based on its willingness to withdraw the ICC demand.
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