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Originally posted by schmikbob schmikbob wrote:

Issa, let's see who's here to insult others.  You use the words "cold-blooded, underhanded, slick, liar, insult, attack, blooded hands, conceal, and brain wash" to describe someone in a single paragraph of a single post.  Unfortunately for you, words have meaning.  You simply don't grasp the fundamentals of debate. 


I agree with Gibbs. We have to stop feeding trolls. It's the only strategy that works. I also think that the moderators should send out a PM. I come here to learn and understand and have real debates with people who respect each other despite the emotions and some disagreement that might exist.



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Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

Originally posted by schmikbob schmikbob wrote:

Issa, let's see who's here to insult others.  You use the words "cold-blooded, underhanded, slick, liar, insult, attack, blooded hands, conceal, and brain wash" to describe someone in a single paragraph of a single post.  Unfortunately for you, words have meaning.  You simply don't grasp the fundamentals of debate. 


I agree with Gibbs. We have to stop feeding trolls. It's the only strategy that works. I also think that the moderators should send out a PM. I come here to learn and understand and have real debates with people who respect each other despite the emotions and some disagreement that might exist.

 
Your Still Talking Out Of Both Sides Of Your Mouth , One Side Of Your Mouth You Speak Of Respecting Each Other And The Other Side Of Your Mouth Your Calling People Names , I Guess That What You Call Be Christ Like . It's People Like Yourself That Breeds  RACISM , HATRED , SEPARATION , INORANCE , And All The WAR'S On The Planet Earth . You Even Have The Nerve  , Trying To Tell The Moderators How To Run IslamiCity Forum .  Just Like A Christian Who Think They Can Go Around The World Telling Other What They Can And Connot Do In The Name Of Their God . This Reminds Me Of A Verse In The By -Bill ,
 
Job Chapt Two , Verse ; 1 - 2  , And I Quote ; Again There Was A Day When The Sons  Of Gods Came To Present Themselves Before The Lord , And Satan  Came Also Among Them To Present Himself Before The Lord . Verses 2 . And The Lord Said Unto Satan From Whence , Comest Thou ? And Satan Answered The Lord , And Said From Going To And Fro In The Earth And From Walking Up And Down In It .
 
Now Satan Said To And Fro , Walking Up And Down , If I'm Not Mistakeing Satan Just Made The Sign Of The Cross . Hummm Now Everyone Know When A Cross Is Up Side Down It Becaome A Sword . I Always Wonder What Was Satan Doing With That Cross , I Mean Sword While Going  To And Fro / Walking Up  And Down In The Planet Call Earth . Matt Browne Can You Explain What Satan Was Doing With That Cross  I Mean Sword ? 


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IssaEl999 as a muslim i find your comments deeply offensive.
I politely plead with you that if you are unable to have a meaningful dialogue with others and treat them with respect and diginity and unable to treat them as you yourself would like to be treated especially when they have a different opinion and view of things, then please refrain for posting any more comments.
We are all hear to learn from one another in a civilsed way and to treat each with respect and dignity.
 
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Originally posted by pure_columbian pure_columbian wrote:

IssaEl999 as a muslim i find your comments deeply offensive.
I politely plead with you that if you are unable to have a meaningful dialogue with others and treat them with respect and diginity and unable to treat them as you yourself would like to be treated especially when they have a different opinion and view of things, then please refrain for posting any more comments.
We are all hear to learn from one another in a civilsed way and to treat each with respect and dignity.
 
 
If You Have Been Reading All The Post , And You Can Step To Me Asking Me About Respect / Diginity When These People Don't Show Any Themselves Only Among Their Little Group . Then I Can See Why They Show Little Respect / Diginity  To Some Muslims Here . These People Are Wearing Two Face They Show No  Respect / Diginity  To Anyone But Themselves . Like I Said If You Have Been Reading  All The Post And Can Point The Finger At Me Only .
 
Then Their Something Wrong With Your Eyes.
I Have No Problem Respecting Anyone . But I Will Now Bow To These People , Because They Disagree With What I Post . So I Respectful Ask You To Mind Your Business Overstand . If You Wish To Kiss Up And Bow To These People Be . So Be It . What I Find Soooo Funny They Have Been Able To Flip People Like Yourselves To Do Their Dirty Work , When They Use Those Underhanded Insult / Attacks Against Muslims Here . And Few Here Call That That Discussing / Dabateing .
 
What A Joke . You Have One Person Here Think He Can Tell The Muslims How To Run This Forum Here .LOLLOL. I'm Not Going Play This Back And Forward Game With You Ok . I Can See You Don't Know Any Better . You Just Got Here And They Already Have Their Hand Up Your Back Working Your Mouth Defendanting Their Cause . Awwwwww Man .


Edited by IssaEl999 - 15 April 2011 at 5:51am
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IssaEl999, are you a muslim? do you follow the faith of Islam and the teachings of the Quran and Prophet Mohammed SAW (PBUH)?
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Originally posted by pure_columbian pure_columbian wrote:

IssaEl999, are you a muslim? do you follow the faith of Islam and the teachings of the Quran and Prophet Mohammed SAW (PBUH)?
 
 
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Without a clear Yes or No answer, i'm going to take it you are a muslim, (please forgive me if my assumption is wrong), but if you indeed are then maybe you've missed the following:
 
The prophet of Islam said: �Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection.� (Hadith)
He also said: � Whoever persecutes a non Muslim or demands work from him beyond his capacity or takes something from him with evil intentions, I shall be a complainant against him on the day of Resurrection.�(Hadith)

Freedom for the Muslims as well as for the non-Muslims is guaranteed by Islamic law, which gives all citizens the right to complete equality and considers their life and property sacred. When Omar, the second Caliph, had learned that some Muslims had taken a piece of land belonging to a Jew, and had built a mosque on it, he ordered the demolition of the mosque and the land was given back the Jew.

Prophet Mohammed said: � One who hurts a non-Muslim, he hurts me and one who hurts me, hurts God.� (Hadith)
Qur�an says: �� and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.� (16: 125)

Again the prophet said: � Whoever relieves a human being from a grief of this world, God will relieve him from a grief on the day of judgment.� (Hadith)

Islamic teachings instruct the Muslims to respect and cooperate with the followers of other religions and treat them equally provided they reciprocate the same feeling.
In the Qur�an special attention has been given to the people of the Book that is Christians and Jews, because their religions are based on the heavenly book, Torah and Bible.
Qur�an says: � Do not argue with the people of the Book, unless it is in the politest manner.�(29:46)

When Omar entered Jerusalem victoriously, he visited the Holy Church. When the Muslims prayer was due, the Christian Patriarch asked him to perform his prayer in the church. But Omar refused, saying: � I fear that once I have my prayer in this church, the coming generations of Muslims would say that in this place Omar had performed his prayer and therefore it has to be converted to a mosque. I want the church to remain a church.�

Muslims respect Jesus and acknowledge him as one of God�s messengers. They never refer to him simply as �Jesus� but always add the phrase �peace be upon him� just as they do for prophet Mohammed and prophet Moses.

Qur�an says about Jesus: � O� Mary! God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honoured in this world and the Here after, and one of those brought near to God.� (3:45)

And about Moses, the Qur�an says: � Also mention in the Book Moses: For he was specially chosen. And he was a messenger and a prophet. And We called him from the right side of Mount (Sinai), and made him draw near to Us.� (19:51-52)

Moreover, a Muslim is allowed to marry a non-Muslim, Christian or Jew, and should give her the liberty to practice her religion without interfering or questioning her going to the church or to synagogue or drinking alcohol or practicing any other customs.
In addition to that, non-Muslims living in the Islamic states have the right of practicing their own customs such as eating pork and drinking alcohol, which are forbidden to Muslims.

"You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness." (Sahih Al-Bukhari)
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Originally posted by pure_columbian pure_columbian wrote:

IssaEl999
 
Without a clear Yes or No answer, i'm going to take it you are a muslim, (please forgive me if my assumption is wrong), but if you indeed are then maybe you've missed the following:
 
The prophet of Islam said: �Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection.� (Hadith)
He also said: � Whoever persecutes a non Muslim or demands work from him beyond his capacity or takes something from him with evil intentions, I shall be a complainant against him on the day of Resurrection.�(Hadith)

Freedom for the Muslims as well as for the non-Muslims is guaranteed by Islamic law, which gives all citizens the right to complete equality and considers their life and property sacred. When Omar, the second Caliph, had learned that some Muslims had taken a piece of land belonging to a Jew, and had built a mosque on it, he ordered the demolition of the mosque and the land was given back the Jew.

Prophet Mohammed said: � One who hurts a non-Muslim, he hurts me and one who hurts me, hurts God.� (Hadith)
Qur�an says: �� and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.� (16: 125)

Again the prophet said: � Whoever relieves a human being from a grief of this world, God will relieve him from a grief on the day of judgment.� (Hadith)

Islamic teachings instruct the Muslims to respect and cooperate with the followers of other religions and treat them equally provided they reciprocate the same feeling.
In the Qur�an special attention has been given to the people of the Book that is Christians and Jews, because their religions are based on the heavenly book, Torah and Bible.
Qur�an says: � Do not argue with the people of the Book, unless it is in the politest manner.�(29:46)

When Omar entered Jerusalem victoriously, he visited the Holy Church. When the Muslims prayer was due, the Christian Patriarch asked him to perform his prayer in the church. But Omar refused, saying: � I fear that once I have my prayer in this church, the coming generations of Muslims would say that in this place Omar had performed his prayer and therefore it has to be converted to a mosque. I want the church to remain a church.�

Muslims respect Jesus and acknowledge him as one of God�s messengers. They never refer to him simply as �Jesus� but always add the phrase �peace be upon him� just as they do for prophet Mohammed and prophet Moses.

Qur�an says about Jesus: � O� Mary! God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honoured in this world and the Here after, and one of those brought near to God.� (3:45)

And about Moses, the Qur�an says: � Also mention in the Book Moses: For he was specially chosen. And he was a messenger and a prophet. And We called him from the right side of Mount (Sinai), and made him draw near to Us.� (19:51-52)

Moreover, a Muslim is allowed to marry a non-Muslim, Christian or Jew, and should give her the liberty to practice her religion without interfering or questioning her going to the church or to synagogue or drinking alcohol or practicing any other customs.
In addition to that, non-Muslims living in the Islamic states have the right of practicing their own customs such as eating pork and drinking alcohol, which are forbidden to Muslims.

"You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness." (Sahih Al-Bukhari)

 
 
I Don't Accept  Testimony Ok . Nor Do I Read Them Ok . By The Way You Can't Tell Me Anything About The Teaching Of Islam Or Christianity . So Don't Waste Your Time Preaching To Me Ok .
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