Sura like it Challenge...

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Let's take a detailed look at all of the infamous Koranic  �challenges��

Let�s dig right in�

52:33-34)

Let�s look at these verses in context:

52:23   They give each other in it a cup/wine, (there is) no nonsense/senseless talk in it, and nor sinning/committing crimes.

52:24   And servants/boys for them, circle/walk around on them, as if they are protected/covered pearls.

52:25   And some of them approached/came on (to) some (each other), they ask/question each other.

52:26   They said: "We were before in our people/family afraid/compassionate.�

52:27   "So Allah blessed on us and He protected/preserved us (from) the severe hot's/burning wind's torture."

52:28   "We were from before, we call Him, that He truly is, He is the righteous/charitable, the merciful/most merciful."

52:29   So remind, so you are not with your Lord's blessing with a fortune teller/highly ranked priest or rabbi ,and nor mad/insane.

52:30   Or they say: "A poet, we wait/remain with him the death's doubt/suspicion".

52:31   Say: "Wait/remain (watch) so that I am with you from the waiting/ remaining (watching)."

52:32   Or their minds/dreams order/command them with that, or they are a tyrannizing/arrogant nation?

52:33   Or they say: "He made it up." But/rather, they do not believe.

52:34   So they come with an information/speech equal/alike to it, if they were truthful.

Summary of 52:33-34 in context:

1)    They give each other in it a cup/wine, (there is) no nonsense/senseless talk in it, and nor sinning/committing crimes.

2)         AND, servants/boys for them, circle/walk around on them, as if they are protected/covered pearls.
3)         AND, some of them approached/came on (to) some (each other), they ask/question each other.
4)         They said: "We were before in our people/family afraid/compassionate.�
5)         SO, Allah blessed on us and He protected/preserved us (from) the severe hot's/burning wind's torture."
6)         "We were from before, we call Him, that He truly is, He is the righteous/charitable, the merciful/most merciful."
7)         SO, remind
8 )        SO, you are not with your Lord's blessing with a fortune teller/highly ranked priest or rabbi
9)         AND, nor mad/insane.
10)       OR, they say: "A poet, we wait/remain with him the death's doubt/suspicion".
11)       Say: "Wait/remain (watch)
12)       SO, that I am with you from the waiting/ remaining (watching)."
13)       OR, their minds/dreams order/command them with that,
14)       OR, they are a tyrannizing/arrogant nation?
15)       OR, they say: "He made it up." But/rather, they do not believe.
16)       SO, they come with an information/speech equal/alike to it, if they were truthful.

The vantage point of this discussion is from the Koranic Paradise.  The Koranic paradise that has is roots in the Biblical Heaven as described within the pages of the Book of Revelation.

The Koran, in typical fashion, is simply regurgitating Biblical material.  The phrase �they come with an information/speech equal/alike to it� is the quintessential element that embodies the entire Koran.

It is heart and soul of what the Koran attempts to do.  The Koran attempts to mimic the Holy Bible.  It attempts to be the �equivalent� of the Holy Bible.  It attempts to be like the Holy Bible.

Fact is, the Koran fails in its attempt to copy the Holy Bible, as detailed in the examples below.

(17:85-88 )

17:85   And they ask/question you about the Soul/Spirit, say: "The Soul/Spirit (is) from my Lord's matter/affair, and you were not given from the knowledge except little.�

17:86   And if We willed wanted We will take away/eliminate with what We inspired/transmitted to you, then you do not find for you with it on (against) Us a guardian/protector.

17:87   Except mercy from your Lord, that His grace/favor/blessing was great on you.

17:88   Say: "If the human/mankind and the Jinns gathered/unified on that  they come with similar/equal/alike (to) this the Koran, they do not come with similar/equal/alike to it, and even if some of them were to some, (were to each other) supporting/helping."

17:89   And We had laid out/detailed linguistically to the people in this the Koran from every example/proverb, so most of the people refused/hated except (insisting) disbelief.

17:90   And they said: "We will never/not believe to you until you cause a water spring/well to flow/burst from the land.�

17:91  "Or a treed garden of palm trees and grapes/fruits of the vine be for you, so you cause the rivers/waterways to flow/burst in between and round it flowing/bursting."

17:92   "Or you drop the sky pieces on us as you claimed/alleged, or you come with Allah and the angels facing/from front."

17:93   "Or (a) house/home from ornament/gold be for you, or you ascend/climb in the sky, and We will never/not believe to your ascent/climb until you descend on us a book we read it." Say: "My Lord's praise/glory, have I been except a human, a messenger?"

17:94   And what prevented/forbid the people that they believe when the guidance came to them, except that they said: "Did Allah send a human, messenger?"

17:95   Say: "If there were in the earth/Planet Ea rth angels walking assured/secured, We would have descended on them from the sky/space an angel (as) a messenger."

17:96   Say: "Enough/sufficient with Allah, (as) a witness/testifier between me and between you, that He truly was/is with His worshippers/slaves expert/experienced, seeing/knowing."

17:97   And whom Allah guides so he is the guided, and whom He misguides, so you will never/not find for them guardians/protectors from other than Him, and We gather them (on) the Resurrection Day on their faces/fronts, blind, and mute, and deaf, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, whenever (it) became humble/tranquil (subsided), We increased them blazing/inflaming.

17:98   That (is) their reward because they disbelieved with Our verses/evidences and they said: "Is (it that) if we were bones and debris/fragments, are we being resurrected/revived (as a) new creation?"

Summary of 17:85-88 in context:

1)    AND, they ask/question you about the Soul/Spirit, say: "The Soul/Spirit (is) from my Lord's matter/affair,

2)         AND, you were not given from the knowledge except little.�
3)         AND, if We willed wanted We will take away/eliminate with what We inspired/transmitted to you,
4)         THEN, you do not find for you with it on (against) Us a guardian/protector.
5)         Except mercy from your Lord, that His grace/favor/blessing was great on you.
6)         Say: "If the human/mankind
7)         AND,   the Jinns gathered/unified on that  they come with similar/equal/alike (to) this the Koran, they do not come with similar/equal/alike to it,
8 )        AND, even if some of them were to some, (were to each other) supporting/helping."
9)         AND, We had laid out/detailed linguistically to the people in this the Koran from every example/proverb,
10)       SO, most of the people refused/hated except (insisting) disbelief.
11)       AND, they said: "We will never/not believe to you until you cause a water spring/well to flow/burst from the land.�
12)       OR, a treed garden of palm trees and grapes/fruits of the vine be for you,
13)       SO, you cause the rivers/waterways to flow/burst in between and round it flowing/bursting."
14)       OR, you drop the sky pieces on us as you claimed/alleged,
15)       OR, you come with Allah and the angels facing/from front."
16)       OR, (a) house/home from ornament/gold be for you,
17)       OR, you ascend/climb in the sky,
18 )      AND, We will never/not believe to your ascent/climb until you descend on us a book we read it." Say: "My Lord's praise/glory, have I been except a human, a messenger?"
19)       Say: "Enough/sufficient with Allah, (as) a witness/testifier between me
20)       AND, between you, that He truly was/is with His worshippers/slaves expert/experienced, seeing/knowing."
21)       AND, whom Allah guides so he is the guided,
22)       AND, whom He misguides,
23)       SO, you will never/not find for them guardians/protectors from other than Him,
24)       AND, We gather them (on) the Resurrection Day on their faces/fronts, blind,
25)       AND, mute,
26)       AND, deaf, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, whenever (it) became humble/tranquil (subsided), We increased them blazing/inflaming.
27)       That (is) their reward because they disbelieved with Our verses/evidences and they said: "Is (it that) if we were bones and debris/fragments, are we being resurrected/revived (as a) new creation?"

See the pattern beginning?

It is abundantly clear that these passages are integrated into Biblical Eschatological scripture.

a)       Fire

b)         Pieces of the sky falling
c)         Allah & his angels coming
d)         The city of Gold (the New Jerusalem)
e)         The Resurrection

This is so classic: 

"If the human/mankind and the Jinns gathered/unified on that  they come with similar/equal/alike (to) this the Koran, they do not come with similar/equal/alike to it, and even if some of them were to some, (were to each other) supporting/helping."

Mankind producing something equivalent to the Holy Bible?

Well, the authors of the Koran attempted to do just that.  They attempted to mimic the Holy Bible � and failed.

The Koran, rather than clarifying or correcting, just simply regurgitates Bible basics without any regard whatsoever for the details.

The Holy Bible is required to correct & clarify the Koran in ALL instances.

(11:13)

11:11   Except those who were patient, and made/did the correct/righteous deeds, those for them (is) a forgiveness and (a) big/great wage/reward.

11:12   So maybe/perhaps you are leaving some/part (of) what is inspired/transmitted to you, and narrowing/tightening with it your chest (innermost), that they say: "If only a treasure was descended on him, or (an) angel came with him." But you are (a) warner/giver of notice, and Allah (is) on every thing (a) guardian/protector.

11:13   Or they say: "He fabricated/cut and split it." Say: "So come or bring with ten chapters of the Koran similar/equal/alike to it fabricated, and call whom you were able from other than Allah if you were truthful."

11:14   So if they do not answer/reply to you, so know that was/is descended with Allah's knowledge, that (there is) no Allah except Him, so are you submitters/surrenderers/Moslems?"

11:15   Who was/is wanting the life the present/worldly life and its decoration/beauty/ornament, We fulfill/complete to them their deeds in it, and they in it are not being reduced/cheated/caused injustice to.

11:16   Those are those not (nothing is) for them in the end (other life) except the fire, and what they made/did (was) wasted/invalidated in it, and is being wasted/annulled/canceled what they were making/doing.

Summary of 11:13 in context:

1)    Except those who were patient,

2)         AND, made/did the correct/righteous deeds, those for them (is) a forgiveness
3)         AND, (a) big/great wage/reward.
4)         SO, maybe/perhaps you are leaving some/part (of) what is inspired/transmitted to you,
5)         AND, narrowing/tightening with it your chest (innermost), that they say: "If only a treasure was descended on him
6)         OR, (an) angel came with him." But you are (a) warner/giver of notice,
7)         AND, Allah (is) on every thing (a) guardian/protector.
8 )        OR, they say: "He fabricated/cut and split it." Say: "So come or bring with ten chapters of the Koran similar/equal/alike to it fabricated,
9)         AND, call whom you were able from other than Allah if you were truthful."
10)       SO, if they do not answer/reply to you,
11)       SO, know that was/is descended with Allah's knowledge, that (there is) no Allah except Him,
12)       SO, are you submitters/surrenderers/Moslems?"
13)       Who was/is wanting the life the present/worldly life
14)       AND, its decoration/beauty/ornament, We fulfill/complete to them their deeds in it,
15)       AND, they in it are not being reduced/cheated/caused injustice to.
16)       Those are those not (nothing is) for them in the end (other life) except the fire,
17)       AND, what they made/did (was) wasted/invalidated in it,
18 )      AND, is being wasted/annulled/canceled what they were making/doing.

It is clear for all to see that this verse is completely 100% embedded within Biblical Eschatological content.

The Koran is simply regurgitating its source material � the Holy Bible.

A Sura like it? 

10 Suras like it? 

 How about 22 like it � all from one book of the Holy Bible � the Book of Revelation.

(2:23)

Let�s look at this ayah in context:

2:23   And if you were in doubt/suspicion from what We descended on Our worshipper/slave, so come/bring with a chapter from its similar/equal/alike to it, and call your witnesses/testifiers from other than Allah, if you were truthful.

2:24   So if you do not make/do and you will never make/do, so fear the fire, that/which its fuel (is) the people and the stones, (it) was/is prepared to the disbelievers.

2:25   And announce good news (to) those who believe and did/made the correct/righteous deeds, that to them (are) treed gardens the rivers flow from beneath it. Whenever they (were) provided for from it from a fruit a provision, they said: "This (is) what we were provided for from before." And they were given with it similar, and for them in it (are) purified spouses and they are in it immortally/eternally.

Summary of 2:23 in context:

1)    AND, if you were in doubt/suspicion from what We descended on Our worshipper/slave

2)         SO, come/bring with a chapter from its similar/equal/alike to it
3)         AND, call your witnesses/testifiers from other than Allah, if you were truthful
4)         SO, if you do not make/do
5)         AND, you will never make/do
6)         SO, fear the fire, that/which its fuel (is) the people
7)         AND, the stones, (it) was/is prepared to the disbelievers
8 )        AND, announce good news (to) those who believe
9)         AND, did/made the correct/righteous deeds, that to them (are) treed gardens the rivers flow from beneath it.  Whenever they (were) provided for from it from a fruit a provision, they said: "This (is) what we were provided for from before."
10)       AND, they were given with it similar
11)       AND, for them in it (are) purified spouses
12)       AND, they are in it immortally/eternally.

Again, it is clear for all to see that this verse is completely 100% embedded within Biblical Eschatological content.

This is evident from the Koranic concept of �Hell� as defined in the Book of Revelation.  The Koran mentions all the ingredients:

a)       Fire

b)         People
c)         Stones (brimstone)
d)         Unbelievers

Then, in typical Koranic fashion, the Biblical �Hell� concept is immediately contrasted with the Koranic sensual �Paradise� � which is a twist on the Biblical concept of Heaven, as described within the pages of the Book of Revelation.

The Koran mentions the following ingredients:

a)     deeds

b)         treed gardens
c)         water
d)         fruit

So�.bringing forth a Sura like it would be to bring forth the Entire Book of Revelation.  

Pure and simple.

 (10:38 )

Summary of 10:38 in context:

10:34   Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who starts/initiates the creation then he repeats it?" Say: "Allah starts/initiates the creation, then He repeats it. So how/where (do) you lie/turn away?"

10:35   Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who guides to the truth?" Say: "Allah guides to the truth .Is who guides to the truth more worthy/deserving that He be followed or who does not guide except that he be guided, so what (is it) for you how you judge/rule?"

10:36   And most of them do not follow except assumption/supposition, that the assumption/supposition does not suffice (replace) from the truth a thing, that Allah (is) knowledgeable with what they make/do.

10:37   And this the Koran was/is not that it be fabricated from (by) other than Allah, and but confirmation (of) what (is) between his hands, and detailing/explaining The Book, no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) from the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.

10:38   Or they say: "He fabricated it." Say: "So come/bring with a chapter of the Koran similar/equal to it and call whom you were able from other than Allah, if you were truthful."

Summary of 10:38 in context:

1)    Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who starts/initiates the creation

2)         THEN, he repeats it?"
3)         Say: "Allah starts/initiates the creation,
4)         THEN, He repeats it.
5)         SO, how/where (do) you lie/turn away?"
6)         Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who guides to the truth?" Say: "Allah guides to the truth .Is who guides to the truth more worthy/deserving that He be followed
7)         OR, who does not guide except that he be guided,
8 )        SO, what (is it) for you how you judge/rule?"
9)         AND, most of them do not follow except assumption/supposition, that the assumption/supposition does not suffice (replace) from the truth a thing, that Allah (is) knowledgeable with what they make/do.
10)       AND, this the Koran was/is not that it be fabricated from (by) other than Allah,
11)       AND, but confirmation (of) what (is) between his hands,
12)       AND, detailing/explaining The Book, no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) from the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.
13)       OR, they say: "He fabricated it." Say: "So come/bring with a chapter of the Koran similar/equal to it
14)       AND, call whom you were able from other than Allah, if you were truthful."

Again, smack-dab in the middle of Biblical Eschatological content � starting with the mentioning of the New Creation as stated in the Book of Revelation Hundreds of years BEFORE the Koran.

It is most interesting that the Koran is said to �CONFIRM� that which is between his hands.  It states that it �details/explains� The Book (the Holy Bible), and that there is �no doubt/suspicion in it�, and that it is from the Lord.  Finally, it makes the assertion that if �He fabricated it�, to then bring forth a Sura like it.

Now, this is most interesting.  The Koran is attempting to compare itself to the Holy Bible.  The Koran specifically states that it �details/explains� the Holy Bible. 

This brings up the logical question of the so-called �challenge� to produce another like it.  If the Koran is meant as a �confirmer� of the Holy Bible, then this means that the Koran is simply going to regurgitate, time and again, what is mentioned within the pages of the Holy Bible.

This is indeed what the Koran attempts to do, as demonstrated by the THOUSANDS of parallel scriptures that can be found between the Holy Bible & the Koran.

In fact, one need not go any farther than the last book of the Holy Bible � the Book of Revelation.  Here the Koran �confirms� the entire Book of Revelation.  Lock, stock & Barrel, up to and including the deity of Jesus Christ!

Without a doubt, this �challenge� from the Koran has to be hands-down, the worst possible thing that the naive Muslim can possibly put forth as �support� for the Koran.

Ironically, it is hands-down the BEST possible thing that the na�ve Muslim can do to confirm the authenticity of the Holy Bible!

Muslims who feel that it is their �obligation� to expound upon an assertion such as this, will quickly find that the assertion is putting forth Biblical material as the ROOTS of the Koran � in particular, scripture from the Book of Revelation!

You would do well to study the origin of your beloved Koran.

As in virtually ALL portions of the Koran, the �Sura like it� is the Biblical material from which the Koran borrowed itself from.

Have a great day�