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honeto 
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 Topic: Forgiven!Posted: 20 October 2011 at 6:16am |
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Many Christians believe that they are forgiven and they will go to Paradise without Judgment by God. They say that a ransom was paid with the blood of Jesus for their forgiveness.
How that makes sense to them? What about those Christians who do not practice their belief, rather do things that are against their teachings? What does 'forgiven' means to them?
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Posted: 20 October 2011 at 7:11am |
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honeto wrote: Many Christians believe that they are forgiven and they will go to Paradise without Judgment by God.
I don't know of any Christians who believe that, but if there are some, they are clearly wrong:
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Posted: 20 October 2011 at 11:59am |
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Dear Hasan,
We already discussed this on the string titled, "Did the Holy Bible Evolve?" I showed you where your understanding of Christian belief regarding forgiveness of sin was not really what Christians believe. Yet here you are in a new string makeing the same incorrect claims about what Christians believe. If you want to discuss Jesus and the forgiveness of sin, why don't you first learn what Christians actually believe before you attempt to discuss it again. Or are you just trying to create a fight? I think this forum is supposed to be designed for mutual understanding between faiths... Is that your motive for this post?
Allah bless you,
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honeto
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Posted: 24 October 2011 at 3:45pm |
well, that's what most seem to say here in the US, when I go to Mexico, they are a bit different and say they will be held accountable. Now, my next question to you will be, what is then this blood sacrifice is all about? of Jesus (pbuh)for ransom paid for sins?? Hasan Edited by honeto - 24 October 2011 at 3:47pm |
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Posted: 24 October 2011 at 3:52pm |
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honeto wrote: well, that's what most seem to say here in the US,
Really? That's what most American Christians believe???
If so, then you should have no trouble providing us with some examples. Please provide us with evidence which supports your claim.
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Posted: 26 October 2011 at 3:48pm |
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Reepicheep,
this is what I hear when preachers or people who preach Christianity approach me. The truth is that I have heard from Christians many different versions. So, I don't know what is their standard belief. Can you state what is your position on that matter and why? Doesn't your Bible state that too? 1 John 2:2 And he (Jesus and his blood sacrifice) is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Forgiven, doesn't that what this verse means? I thought you knew that as a Christian? Hasan Edited by honeto - 26 October 2011 at 3:53pm |
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Posted: 26 October 2011 at 8:16pm |
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honeto wrote: this is what I hear when preachers or people who preach Christianity approach me...
Well, unless you can provide me with the names of some Christians who believe they won't be judged, or Christian denominations which have this non-judgement as part of their theology, or can give me some other evidence such as websites, books, or TV shows, then there's not much I can say about this topic. In fact, there is nothing I need to say, if you are unable to provide us with any concrete evidence that this is what some Christians believe.
honeto wrote: Can you state what is your position on that matter and why?
Easy. As I've already pointed out, the bible clearly states:
We must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. 2 Cor. 5:10
I see no possible way for this verse to be misinterpreted. All people, both Christian and non-Christian, will one day appear before God for judgement. honeto wrote: 1 John 2:2 And he (Jesus and his blood sacrifice) is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Forgiven, doesn't that what this verse means?
I thought you knew that as a Christian? Of course I'm familiar with this verse. It deals with atonement, not judgement. And, since this thread is about judgement and not atonement, that's a topic for another time.
Unless you can provide us with evidence of some sort which proves there are Christians who believe they won't be judged, I think this topic is about done. If you like, you can start up a new thread on atonement, since that seems to be a topic which confuses you. Edited by Reepicheep - 26 October 2011 at 8:17pm |
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Posted: 27 October 2011 at 7:14am |
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Dear Reepicheep and Honeto,
That's what I said. Start a new topic. Hey, Hasan, I'm sorry if my last post on this string seemed a bit combative. I guess IslamisnotPeace is wearing me down just a little. But Reepicheep said it very nicely. Another string with an adjustment to the topic would be a good idea. But, of course, it is up to you.
Allah bless you both,
Jack Catholic
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