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Originally posted by Reepicheep Reepicheep wrote:

Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

Reepicheep, because there was no 6 or 7. Let me just post the link as it is so you can see for yourself, there is no 6 or 7 there: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/judgment Hasan



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Thanks Reepicheep,
in that case still your belief is opposed in this verse:

American Standard Version (ASV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
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Edited by honeto - 30 November 2011 at 3:47pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Honeto wrote:  in that case still your belief is opposed in this verse:
 
You are repeating a claim which you made on October 28 within this thread.  So, I'll repeat my reply which I made on October 29:
 
**** REPEAT OF OCTOBER 29 POST ****
 
The English word "judgement" has many definitions. One of them is "a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence." That is how the word is being used in John 5:24
 
The NIV translation of the bible makes this more clear:
 
I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believe him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24
 
**** END OF REPOST ****
 
Your response last time was that I was making up definitions for judgement, and you used a partial "cut and paste" from a dictionary website to "prove" that my definition was invalid.  It took us a month, but you now seem to concede that "a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence" is a valid definition of "judgement".  Correct?
 
I stand behind my earlier reply.  Your earlier explanation that I was making up definitions for words is clearly wrong.  Do you have any other comments you wish to make about my earlier post?
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Reepicheep,
you are right on my overlooking 'judgement' definitions and I thank you for correcting me on that.
However, I do not see how it changes answer to my question regarding  John 5:24 "....but has passed from death into life" while you say you believe in Judgment after death. Can you explain your position?
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I don't understand the specific problem you are having with this verse.  But, if you were to ask me what I think will happen to me on the day of judgement, here is what I would reply:
 
On the day of judgement every person who has ever lived (including Christians) will stand before God for judgement.  According to the bible, I won't be alone, though.  The Holy Spirit will act as my lawyer (advocate).
 
I don't know for certain, of course, but I believe that my lawyer will tell me to plead guilty of breaking the law.  This is because I am a sinner and I am guilty of breaking God's law.  I will probably even be found guilty of breaking the law.  But, using an earthly analogy, I believe that even though I am guilty, I will be pardoned by God, because Jesus has already paid the penalty on my behalf.
 
Luckily for me, I won't be standing before God by myself.  I will have the Holy Spirit as my lawyer, and I will of course follow his advice.  Alas, non Christians won't have this court appointed lawyer, and will be forced to defend themselves.
 
(Of course, I have no way of knowing for sure what will happen to me on the day of judgement, but based upon what it says in the bible and using earthly analogies, the above is my best guess.)
 


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Reepicheep,

thanks for clarifying your understanding regarding this serious matter. It is true that what really will happen on the Day of judgment only God Almighty knows.
I will briefly go over what I as a Muslim believe about Judgment Day.
Islamic belief is simple, you believe in Oneness of God, submit to God and obey to His commands and live by them. If any could do just that, on the Day of Judgment God will forgive them their mistakes and admit to the Garden, to the Paradise.
There is only one sin that I know of that God has clearly stated in the Quran, and I know in the Bible as well, that does not have forgiveness. And that sin is the sin of 'Shirk', worshipping someone or something other than God or beside God as God.  
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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honeto wrote: There is only one sin that I know of that God has clearly stated in the Quran, and I know in the Bible as well, that does not have forgiveness. And that sin is the sin of 'Shirk'
 
Q1: I believe you are mistaken RE: the bible and shirk.  Can you provide us with a passage from the bible where it states that shirk is an unforgivable sin?
 
Q2: honeto, at the start of this thread, you stated "many Christians believe that they are forgiven and they will go to Paradise without Judgment by God."  Are all Christians who believe this guilty of shirk since they are, in effect, elevating themselves to God's level by claiming they will bypass judgement?
 


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Reepicheep,
Ans to your Q-1: Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
 
Ans to Q-2. To believe that one is going to Pradise is not Shirk, it is a very common assumption among many people to claim that they are going to Paradise for one reason or another (not just Christians say that). Shirk is when you worship anyone or anything other than or beside God.
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