Will Israel never stop? |
Post Reply | Page <12345 13> |
Author | |||||||
Ron Webb
Senior Member Male atheist Joined: 30 January 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Status: Offline Points: 2467 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
No! Absolutely not! But this is not an either/or situation. You don't have to choose a side in this. It is logically possible to be critical of both sides.
Indeed, and Israel could be doing the same thing. If they really wanted to end the hostility, that's what they should do. But I'm not holding my breath.
Yes, I understand that. I just think it's important to keep reminding people of the asymmetry of this "war". The Palestinians are not an existential threat to Israel.
"Turned over"? You mean gave back, after having invaded and captured it in 1967? The Palestinians are supposed to be grateful for that? I'll agree with you though that this was a missed opportunity for the Palestinians to reciprocate. There have been so many missed opportunities, on both sides.
That's right. There are moderates on both sides, and they need to reach out to each other. More importantly IMHO, they need to stand in opposition to the extremists in their own communities and resist the temptation to retaliate. That's going to be tough, especially when the bombs keep exploding in their neighbours' yards, as they undoubtedly will for some time.
Again, this is hyperbole. Israel's existence is not threatened by the Palestinians. It may be threatened by other nations such as Iran, but attacking the Palestinians only increases that threat. It does nothing to reduce it. |
|||||||
Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
|
|||||||
Caringheart
Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
Which offspring are in disgrace? Those who transgress the commandments. - Sirach 10:19
They are all transgressing the commandments. They are all in error. |
|||||||
Blake
Newbie Male Joined: 12 September 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
It seems to me however that since before the summer when rockets were being fired into southern Israel, It barely made footnotes in the news. And now suddenly when Israel decides they will take no more, Anderson Cooper has his face all over the TV. why is that? perhaps if they had made a big deal about the rockets being fired for many months.... it MAY have made a difference in international opinion. I wouldn't be supprised if there are parts of the Arab world where civilians are not even aware of rockets being fired from Gaza... or thay believe it is just a lie. It wouldn't suprise me one bit. Now suddenly everyone is shocked that Israel has retaliated strongly. BUT, I do agree with you in that the retaliation by Israel will solve nothing. This is true. It must take some greater action other than violence. As for the Hyperbole, well ... you have to remember the Arabs were Allies of the Nasis in the war, and were recruited by them to kill jews in europe and hunt them down throughout North Africa as well as other parts of the Middle East. Do you think that mindset had no bearing on the Arab/ Israeli wars that followed? And even today the same mindset is there. Maybe those rockets are no big deal as many seem to dismiss them .... no real threat to the Israelis, but do remember those rockets are comming from Iran. It's only a matter of time before one of those rockets is loaded with a Nuke. Who is to say that is no threat? its easy for us when we don't haev to live there. And as to Jews aiding the Palestinians economically.... remember when They took over Gaza, they were given 3,000 green houses to which they could have grown vegetables or any crop ... paid for by American Jewish donors. These cost Millions of dollars. They were stripped down and destroyed in days by the Palestinians... so I think that the thing maybe people don't realize is that the people there may be very difficult to get along with. Maybe the real answer will have to come from Moderate Islamic nations who can somehow help the Palestinians shed the teachings of Hammas, if that is possible. |
|||||||
Ron Webb
Senior Member Male atheist Joined: 30 January 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Status: Offline Points: 2467 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
How many Israelis were killed in those rocket attacks? Was anybody killed? And how many Palestinians have been killed (so far) in the Israeli retaliation? Again, you can't treat this as a symmetrical situation. Reports of Palestinian attacks against Israel are not suppressed in the Arab world. They are celebrated, and the perpetrators are heroes.
The list of Nazi allies is long and infamous. If England and Germany can put that ancient conflict behind them, then surely the Israelis and the Palestinians can do the same. And by the way, I'll take your word for Muslim involvement with the Nazis, but the Wikipedia article makes almost no mention of it. The only reference to Muslims is with respect to Iraq, which was "briefly an ally of the Axis". I'm not sure why you would hold that against the Palestinians, except out of pure stereotyping and prejudice.
That is really a low blow. The greenhouses were looted by a lawless mob, and the Palestinian authorities were powerless to prevent it. To turn it around and blame it on the Palestinians authorities themselves is like blaming the victim.
That's certainly part of the solution. Do you think that bombing and/or invading Gaza is going to help that process, or hinder it? |
|||||||
Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
|
|||||||
Caringheart
Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
You are absolutely right Blake. Edited by Caringheart - 21 November 2012 at 11:39am |
|||||||
Caringheart
Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Status: Offline Points: 2991 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
Hi Ron, I have to ask... if someone were constantly, consistently, regularly, throwing stones at your house and always breaking the windows, knocking down fences and walls... wouldn't you hit back with all the force you had to send a message to make it stop? What recourse do you think you might take? What would anyone do to protect themselves and their property?
People need to worry about the 'plank in their own eye instead of always bothering about the splinter in someone else's.' The message that needs to get across is; Focus on building yourself... not tearing down someone else. Edited by Caringheart - 21 November 2012 at 11:41am |
|||||||
Blake
Newbie Male Joined: 12 September 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
The killing of the Palestinian Civilians IS a horrible thing..... and this what is shown on TV's throughout the world.... and well it should be shown! But my contention is that by ONLY showing this.... anger and animosity is stirred up more and more through out the middle east. For months when rockets were being fired into Southern Israel.... people knew that Israel would eventually respond ...... I mean did the UN hold any special conferences about the situation?? knowing what would eventually happen? I bet they will pay attention now,.... but its to late. and this stuff has been going on for decades. Unfortunately there is a one way bais in news reporting and it is actually hurting the Palestinians in the end of it all. True as you say, very few Israelis have died... mostly because they have an early warning system, shelters and are not as densly packed in. And on the Palestinian side they have civilians right next to Rocket batterys and headquarters. Its not that Israel is targeting civilians, but it is portrayed as so But as Caring Heart says.... yeah, if someone was shooting a gun at your house every day..... and only occasionaly wounded one of your family members, it would be very likely that you would take some action based on the psycological effect, that may even be disproportionate. as far as Israel making more concessions and giving aid to the people of Gaza.... YES, I think it would be great if they would, and I think Israel would if they thought it would make a positive difference. But, how can you make any such negotiation while you have rockets being fired at you every day? You can't make progress under those conditions , or would you even want to??? I wouldnt mind the UN getting tough o Israel to make concessions to alleiviate the Living conditions of Palestinians. But at the same time, that can't be done if it is only to set up a new staging ground to launch rockets. |
|||||||
Blake
Newbie Male Joined: 12 September 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||||
Holding against the Palestinian people past Alliances with the Nazi regime was not what I was trying to do, but only to point out tthat there is a mind set that still persists today that runs parrellel to the Nazi beliefs.
Hitler blamed the Jews for all of Europes problems, said they were sub - human. That somehow this small minority was making life unlivable for everyone. There are about 18 million Jews in the whole world and around six or so living in Israel. There are about 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world .... and still to many of those the Jews are still the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the world. And they are accused of just about everything wrong in the Muslim world... It's as though their life is completely ruined as long as Jews are around. It's the parellel in Ideology that I find disturbing because of where it might lead to. FYI heres a link i found other than wikipedia on the background. http://israelxxpalestina.blogspot.com/2010/07/arabs-were-allies-and-supporters-of.html |
|||||||
Post Reply | Page <12345 13> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |