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honeto
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Caringheart, how that can be true. Palestinians do not have an Army or Air force and their is no Palestine. If there was a Palestine with its own Army that matched Israel's, I guarantee there will be peace. When there is equality or so there is peace. See how US and USSR now Russia have peace between them, because both have power and capability to destroy the other and that works as a balancing factor toward peaceful coexistence. The only other way to peace would be if there was no weapon, not a single one owned by any. Anything forcefully imposed can only be kept by force, like the state of Israel was actually imposed by force on Palestine, and once you remove that imposing power, it will go back to be Palestine, not by force but just by removing force and impose. Hasan Edited by honeto - 24 November 2012 at 4:48pm |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Hasan, and welcome back. I trust you had safe travels. Regarding your comment you need to read, if you can with an open mind, the links I have posted above. Oh and try to read all of my posts. My whole point is to be informed... of both sides of the coin... so that we are fair in judgement. Salaam, CH |
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honeto
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CAringheart,
Thank you, yes it was a great trip (All Praise to God), we drove as always and enjoyed it. Things have changed, otherwise we would like to go more often as we used to do. I was talking about your comment: "First I don't know that I agree that Israel is hostile." that is nothing less than an arrogant comment if I may repeat. Why did you say that if you are well aware of what is going on? Hasan Edited by honeto - 24 November 2012 at 5:23pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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peacemaker
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Assalamu Alaikum/Peace be on you, Here is an informative lecture by Miko Peled, the son of an Israeli general: |
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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Blake
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Greeting Honeto, Well, but wait. You say Israels existence was imposed by force on Palestine..... but who determined the boundaries but the British at the turn of the century. I thought Palestine was simply something they made up to keep their empire in order. Before that Jerusalem was inhabited by people from all over the world... or so I remember from earlier reading... am I wrong about that? There was no line seperating Jordan from what today is considereed Palestine. That was all made up by the brittish. So aren't the Jordanians basically the same people as the palestinians? So the British made up the lines of Palestine, and what is Israael... and what was called the Trans- Jordan. But there was no real force I believe until the Jews were really forced to fight. The palestinians threw in their lot with the rest of the Arabs..... they probably got a little greedy as well, or at least thought the Jews didnt stand much of a chance. So they lost.... and from that point became an enemy of Israel..... and also remember that not all Jews in Israel are of European Ancestry ... many of them were displaced from around the Middle East and actually have their rightful place in the area. Where else would those belong? I think the Jews need to realize that the palestinians have their rightful place .... ( and many jews are fighting for plaestinian rights...note peace activist groups inside of Israel) And likewise Gaza needs to recognize Jews are historically tied to that land. I'm not aware if Hammas has changed the wording in their founding charter .. but I know the original calls for the destruction of Israel openly. Has that changed?? |
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Shaik Speare
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Edited by Shaik Speare - 25 November 2012 at 6:49am |
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abuayisha
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCQx47kN6tI
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Ron Webb
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If you mean the Palestinians, I would expect them to fight back, just as they are doing. I wouldn't advise it in this case, but it is a natural and understandable response. As for Israel, the Palestinians do not pose an existential threat to Israel in the way that Israel does to the Palestinians. In case you haven't noticed, there is no independent Palestinian state, and if Israel has their way there probably never will be. So who is really threatened?
Hasan has chosen to focus on another statement to indicate your arrogance, but IMHO this is the worst. You really do want to force the Palestinians back to the Stone Age, don't you? No, an iPod is not a necessity. Neither are concrete and steel for making buildings. The Palestinians can live in mud huts with no air conditioning in the summer, and burn camel dung to keep warm in the winter. As long as they can work on the land that the Israelis stole -- sorry, "captured" -- from them, then that is "peace" according to you, eh?
Your forum name is becoming increasingly ironic.
You're very close to the line here. If you want to continue to participate in this forum, I'd suggest that you choose your words more carefully. |
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