Heaven and hell

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   Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum Hope

Your basic asumtion is wrong, that jews and christians worship a god other than Allah. 

Jews follow the teachings of the prophet moses as well as all the other
prophets leading upto and not including jesus. Christians are the same
as jews except the believe in jesus and go even further as to make him
a deity.

The above is atested in the Quran it self when it says look to previous
scriptures to confirm what is in the Quran, further we are the cousins
of the jews descending from abraham and we both believe in the same God
that Abraham believed in. Allah also acknowledges them in the Quran as
being among those who worship him when he called them people of the
book, and among the non muslims it is only the jews and christians that
a muslim can marry no one else.

Your argument that jews and christians believe in a different God than
what we do has no basis in Islam no scholar sahaba or tabii has made
such a claim and it would constatute Kufr on the part of the person who
believed this as they would be acusing the prophet Muhammad of
worshiping other than the God of Abraham and bringing his own new
religion. 

Judaism and christianity existed before Islam and our liniage and
heratige goes back to abraham and from there along the same lineage all
the way back to adam, it is more acurate to say they believe in the
same god but are not following his comandments than to say they worship
a different god.

Allah has clearly stated the only sin he will not forgive is that of shirk, 

4:116 Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him;
but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins
other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).

non muslims will be punished in hell but any person who has not
commited the sin of shirk will be taken out of hell eventualy and go to
jannah.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601: 

Narrated Ma'bad bin Hilal Al'Anzi: 

We, i.e., some people from Basra gathered and went to Anas bin
Malik, and we went in company with Thabit Al-Bunnani so that he might ask him about the
Hadith of Intercession on our behalf. Behold, Anas was in his palace, and our arrival
coincided with his Duha prayer. We asked permission to enter and he admitted us while he
was sitting on his bed. We said to Thabit, "Do not ask him about anything else first
but the Hadith of Intercession." He said, "O Abu Hamza! There are your brethren
from Basra coming to ask you about the Hadith of Intercession." Anas then said,
"Muhammad talked to us saying, 'On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with
each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us
with your Lord.' He will say, 'I am not fit for that but you'd better go to Abraham as he
is the Khalil of the Beneficent.' They will go to Abraham and he will say, 'I am not fit
for that, but you'd better go to Moses as he is the one to whom Allah spoke directly.' So
they will go to Moses and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to
Jesus as he is a soul created by Allah and His Word.' (Be: And it was) they will go to
Jesus and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Muhammad.' They
would come to me and I would say, 'I am for that.' Then I will ask for my Lord's
permission, and it will be given, and then He will inspire me to praise Him with such
praises as I do not know now. So I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down,
prostrate before Him. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for
you will be listened to; and ask, for your will be granted (your request); and intercede,
for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My
followers!' And then it will be said, 'Go and take out of Hell (Fire) all those who have
faith in their hearts, equal to the weight of a barley grain.' I will go and do
so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down (prostrate) before Him.
Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to,
and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will
be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' It will be said,
'Go and take out of it all those who have faith in their hearts equal to the weight of a
small ant or a mustard seed.' I will go and do so and return to praise Him with
the same praises, and fall down in prostration before Him. It will be said, 'O, Muhammad,
raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted
(your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will
say, 'O Lord, my followers!' Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose
hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of the
Fire.' I will go and do so."' When we left Anas, I said to some of my
companions, "Let's pass by Al-Hasan who is hiding himself in the house of Abi Khalifa
and request him to tell us what Anas bin Malik has told us." So we went to him and we
greeted him and he admitted us. We said to him, "O Abu Said! We came to you from your
brother Anas Bin Malik and he related to us a Hadith about the intercession the like of
which I have never heard." He said, "What is that?" Then we told him of the
Hadith and said, "He stopped at this point (of the Hadith)." He said, "What
then?" We said, "He did not add anything to that." He said, Anas related
the Hadith to me twenty years ago when he was a young fellow. I don't know whether he
forgot or if he did not like to let you depend on what he might have said." We said,
"O Abu Said ! Let us know that." He smiled and said, "Man was created
hasty. I did not mention that, but that I wanted to inform you of it. Anas told me the
same as he told you and said that the Prophet added, 'I then return for a fourth time and
praise Him similarly and prostrate before Him me the same as he 'O Muhammad, raise your
head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your
request): and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted .' I will say, 'O
Lord, allow me to intercede for whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshiped except
Allah.' Then Allah will say, 'By my Power, and my Majesty, and by My Supremacy, and by My
Greatness, I will take out of Hell (Fire) whoever said: 'None has the right to be
worshipped except Allah.' ''  

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) is described in the Quran
as being a mercy for all humanity and a mesenger for all creation not
just a single nation like all previous prophets, so notice in the last
part that he does not ask to intercede only for his followers like he
did every other time but simply those who simply said La illaha ila
llah.

Also notice how allah replied he doesnt say by my mercy but by his
majesty supremacy and Greatness indicating that somthing extra ordinary
is occuring here. All muslims are promised Jannah already some will go
to hell first but all will eventualy go to jannah so the fact that
rasul allah does not mention "my followers" as he did every other time
and allah not mentioning he is doing this out of his mercy but his
Greatness his supremacy and majesty atributes which we should be in awe
of and indicating we should apreciate the significance of the event.

One esential point here is that the third time he aks foir intercession allah says take out those who had " faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed." but in the last interseccion they are not described as having any faith but having simply said la illah ilah llah.